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Hospitalization data tweeted by Baton Rouge General
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:55 am
I don't think we should concern ourselves with the constant fear porn around the number of positive cases or the positivity rate. What's important is knowing if our hospitals are being over burdened and what factors are leading to infections serious enough to actually require hospitalization.
HOSPITALIZATION resource consumption is most important metric IMO.
Mild or even moderate infections are far less concerning than the potential of those that are seriously ill who might be in an overburdened hospital that can't treat them as carefully or efficiently as they should. I can give a shite if there are thousands of new cases if they aren't resulting in hospitalizations or deaths. I do care if our fellow citizens are falling seriously ill, dying, or consuming massive amounts of our limited healthcare resources.
IMO THESE are the type of hospitalization numbers that should be driving public policy. Not overall positive cases that CNN constantly harps on. Our primary concern is how many people are being hospitalized and if they are getting the quality of treatment that they deserve (and are paying for).
The data below gives some hints, but keep in mind that they are only telling part of the story:
- The charts excludes all data of potential patients with cases not serious enough to be hospitalized. We know there are infections occurring with mild are moderate symptoms. Most of those people aren't being hospitalized.
- The charts do not indicate what vaccines the vaccinated patients got, and when they got them.
- The charts do not indicate how many hospitalizations are serious enough to require oxygen or ventilators. Just hospitalization status.
- The charts do not indicate what proportion of people in the BRG catchment area who have contracted covid were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It's only a snapshot of who had cases serious enough to be hospitalized within the BRG catchment chain (Baton Rouge metro area).
- The chart doesn't show % resource utilization at Baton Rouge general (for either beds, nurses, or doctors). So we can't determine if they are actually at risk of reducing their service level to sick patients...at least not from these charts.
The snapshots from the past two weeks:
Unfortunately I can't find a similar chart for Our Lady of the Lake, which is by far the largest hospital in the state. But they did report that 238 of those hospitalized are not vaccinated. 38 are vaccinated. No breakdown for age. I MUCH prefer the breakdown and graphs that Baton Rouge General Provided over simple tabulations that Our Lady of the Lake provided.
Some takeaways:
- The overwhelming majority of patients with cases serious enough to be hospitalized at BRG are unvaccinated.
- ZERO patients under 20. And we do know from other sources that the overwhelming majority of people under 20 have not been vaccinated in the US. I suspect the hospitalization trend for this group is because younger people are far less likely to need hospitalization when infected. Which means AGE is still the primary determining factor when it comes to symptom severity. ETA: This could also be because of the nearby OLOL Children's hospital handling that patient load....so the under 20 hospitalization data might not be strong enough for any conclusions on infection severity.
- People ages 50-59 who have not been vaccinated are the largest population group of those being hospitalized b/c of a Covid infection.
- There is a clear bell curve shown. There are fewer people in the hospital at BRG who are extremely young or extremely old. I suspect that it's because the young are not particularly vulnerable and the old are more likely to have been vaccinated.
- Fewer people over 60 are requiring hospitalization than those under 60. This is likely due to the highly vulnerable elderly population seeing higher vaccination rates in Louisiana and younger people just not being at risk for serious symptoms
ETA: Important to note that there is a large Children's Hospital barely a block from Baton Rouge General. That Hospital is run by Our Lady of the Lake, which doesn't report data as clearly as Baton Rouge General. So its' possible that there are more Covid patients under 20 years of age in the Baton Rouge area, but they are being treated at the nearby Children's hospital instead and are thus excluded from this graphic. Thanks Dewster for pointing that out.
HOSPITALIZATION resource consumption is most important metric IMO.
Mild or even moderate infections are far less concerning than the potential of those that are seriously ill who might be in an overburdened hospital that can't treat them as carefully or efficiently as they should. I can give a shite if there are thousands of new cases if they aren't resulting in hospitalizations or deaths. I do care if our fellow citizens are falling seriously ill, dying, or consuming massive amounts of our limited healthcare resources.
IMO THESE are the type of hospitalization numbers that should be driving public policy. Not overall positive cases that CNN constantly harps on. Our primary concern is how many people are being hospitalized and if they are getting the quality of treatment that they deserve (and are paying for).
The data below gives some hints, but keep in mind that they are only telling part of the story:
- The charts excludes all data of potential patients with cases not serious enough to be hospitalized. We know there are infections occurring with mild are moderate symptoms. Most of those people aren't being hospitalized.
- The charts do not indicate what vaccines the vaccinated patients got, and when they got them.
- The charts do not indicate how many hospitalizations are serious enough to require oxygen or ventilators. Just hospitalization status.
- The charts do not indicate what proportion of people in the BRG catchment area who have contracted covid were vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It's only a snapshot of who had cases serious enough to be hospitalized within the BRG catchment chain (Baton Rouge metro area).
- The chart doesn't show % resource utilization at Baton Rouge general (for either beds, nurses, or doctors). So we can't determine if they are actually at risk of reducing their service level to sick patients...at least not from these charts.
The snapshots from the past two weeks:
Unfortunately I can't find a similar chart for Our Lady of the Lake, which is by far the largest hospital in the state. But they did report that 238 of those hospitalized are not vaccinated. 38 are vaccinated. No breakdown for age. I MUCH prefer the breakdown and graphs that Baton Rouge General Provided over simple tabulations that Our Lady of the Lake provided.
Some takeaways:
- The overwhelming majority of patients with cases serious enough to be hospitalized at BRG are unvaccinated.
- ZERO patients under 20. And we do know from other sources that the overwhelming majority of people under 20 have not been vaccinated in the US. I suspect the hospitalization trend for this group is because younger people are far less likely to need hospitalization when infected. Which means AGE is still the primary determining factor when it comes to symptom severity. ETA: This could also be because of the nearby OLOL Children's hospital handling that patient load....so the under 20 hospitalization data might not be strong enough for any conclusions on infection severity.
- People ages 50-59 who have not been vaccinated are the largest population group of those being hospitalized b/c of a Covid infection.
- There is a clear bell curve shown. There are fewer people in the hospital at BRG who are extremely young or extremely old. I suspect that it's because the young are not particularly vulnerable and the old are more likely to have been vaccinated.
- Fewer people over 60 are requiring hospitalization than those under 60. This is likely due to the highly vulnerable elderly population seeing higher vaccination rates in Louisiana and younger people just not being at risk for serious symptoms
ETA: Important to note that there is a large Children's Hospital barely a block from Baton Rouge General. That Hospital is run by Our Lady of the Lake, which doesn't report data as clearly as Baton Rouge General. So its' possible that there are more Covid patients under 20 years of age in the Baton Rouge area, but they are being treated at the nearby Children's hospital instead and are thus excluded from this graphic. Thanks Dewster for pointing that out.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:56 am to frequent flyer
quote:
- The overwhelming majority of patients with cases serious enough to be hospitalized at BRG are unvaccinated.
THEY MUST BE LYING!
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:56 am to frequent flyer
This seems like good news? I don't frickin know anymore
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:57 am to CatfishJohn
quote:
THEY MUST BE LYING!
99.8% survivability rate...and rising for the unvaxxed. But, let's keep that fear porn going.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:58 am to frequent flyer
Covid is fake
/thread
/thread
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:59 am to frequent flyer
Good stuff. Was actually curious on the numbers on kids being hospitalized this morning. Glad no one under 20 is having issues
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:00 am to 610man
quote:
This seems like good news? I don't frickin know anymore
Good news is that younger people are far less likely to require hospitalization.
Bad news is that unvaccinated people between 30-60 are making up the majority of our hospitalizations.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:02 am to frequent flyer
quote:
frequent flyer
can you give me the link to those stats?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:04 am to BugAC
quote:
can you give me the link to those stats?
go look at BR Generals twitter
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:05 am to frequent flyer
quote:
What's important is knowing if our hospitals are being over burdened and what factors are leading to infections serious enough to actually require hospitalization.
The death rate is a fraction of what it was this time last year, so hospitalization volume must be down with it. Am I looking at this completely wrong? What has changed in the last year that would prohibit the hospital from only seeing a fraction of the volume which it already handled before?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:07 am to The Implication
quote:
go look at BR Generals twitter
don't have twitter. Just a link would be helpful. Want to send it to my kids principal.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:07 am to josh336
quote:
Good stuff. Was actually curious on the numbers on kids being hospitalized this morning. Glad no one under 20 is having issues
OLOL has the most kids they have ever had right now at 17. But under 19 hospitalizations are like .56 per 100,000. The highest ever in Louisiana was .65. In a few weeks the data will show that this wave was the worst for kids, but that it still wasn't a serious threat. Hard to see the number approaching even 1 per 100,000.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:08 am to frequent flyer
Zero under 20??? Didn't that bitch on tv say Delta is coming for our children? She should be fired for lying to us like that.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:12 am to frequent flyer
Excellent breakdown of real data. I don't see any issues with your assumptions or your interpretation of data. The only potential shortcoming with the breakdown is that the graphics themselves don't actually indicate if the people being hospitalized are being treated for Covid or if they are being treated for something else but have tested positive for Covid.
My local hospitals in Illinois are seeing similar bell curves. My area is disproportionately older than other parts of Illinois, but the bulk of our hospitalizations are unvaccinated people under the age of 60, but older than 30.
My local hospitals in Illinois are seeing similar bell curves. My area is disproportionately older than other parts of Illinois, but the bulk of our hospitalizations are unvaccinated people under the age of 60, but older than 30.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:13 am to frequent flyer
quote:
- ZERO patients under 20.
but i was told the rate at which this is happening is rising in my region.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:13 am to frequent flyer
quote:
Fewer people over 60 are requiring hospitalization than those under 60. This is likely due to the highly vulnerable elderly population seeing higher vaccination rates in Louisiana and younger people just not being at risk for serious symptoms
And/or, in addition to (despite?) having the highest percentage of that demographic vaccinated, they are fewer in that age group in general and were hit hardest the first go round. Yet they still account for a chunk of the hospitalizations, and most of the vaccine “failures.”
(Only ~17% of the USA population is 65+. For some reason the CDC data I’m looking at lumps 50-64 together, so I can’t easily tell you what 60+ is.)
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:14 am to tigafan4life
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Zero under 20??? Didn't that bitch on tv say Delta is coming for our children?
COvid became the premium gaslighting event.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:15 am to tigafan4life
quote:
Zero under 20??? Didn't that bitch on tv say Delta is coming for our children?
She was with Our Lady of the Lake, which runs a large Children's Hospital in Baton Rouge.
That's a potential problem with the OP's interpretation of the data. OLOL has an excellent Children's hospital. Under aged kids with any ailment are likely to just go there. It's less than a mile from Baton Rouge General.
So if anything, the breakdown provided in this thread underestimates the risk of Covid to people under 20 years old. But to what degree is impossible to tell since Our Lady of the Lake isn't as transparent with the data that they provide.
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