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re: Honest Question about the "Opioid Epidemic"
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:41 am to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:41 am to RoosterCogburn585
Have you ever paid a highly educated expert to help you solve an urgent problem and the expert recommeded alcohol or tobacco?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:41 am to RoosterCogburn585
Some blame should be placed on doctors for over-prescribing. Had 2 experiences with pain killers in the last few years. Had wisdom teeth out. Prescription given covered me for 2 weeks. Had a kidney stone this summer. Prescription covered me for 2-3 weeks.
Have to say that if you have wisdom teeth removed and you are still in pain (pain, not sore but pain) after 3 days there is an issue. If still in pain almost 2 weeks later something is seriously wrong. Same for a kidney stone... 2-3 days max. A 2-3 week painkiller prescription for a kidney stone???
So yes, there is some over-prescribing going on by doctors. Just part of the problem.
Have to say that if you have wisdom teeth removed and you are still in pain (pain, not sore but pain) after 3 days there is an issue. If still in pain almost 2 weeks later something is seriously wrong. Same for a kidney stone... 2-3 days max. A 2-3 week painkiller prescription for a kidney stone???
So yes, there is some over-prescribing going on by doctors. Just part of the problem.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 6:42 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:42 am to RoosterCogburn585
Yes they are. Good job
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:44 am to RoosterCogburn585
Genetics play a role in whether we are more likely/susceptible to become addicted to various substances. It’s easy for me to judge someone as weak, but I don’t have the variants that make me susceptible to heroin or opioid addiction.
I’d guess most addicts don’t start with a needle in their arm. I understand we have a choice to seek treatment if we notice we are becoming addicted, but I still believe that doctors need to be far more careful about prescribing & monitoring usage.
I’d guess most addicts don’t start with a needle in their arm. I understand we have a choice to seek treatment if we notice we are becoming addicted, but I still believe that doctors need to be far more careful about prescribing & monitoring usage.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:48 am to SamuelClemens
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If you went to see your doctor and they told you to go home and gave you a complete list of natural ways to become healthy, would you do it? Or would you call that doctor a quack bc "You paid to get well and they didn't write you any Rxs!"?
I would trust that doctor more than any other I'd ever met. He's not just grabbing cash and he's taken some initiaive to educate himself outside of what he's being spoon fed by the system.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:49 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Also have from doctors that a glass of wine a night is healthy
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:49 am to RoosterCogburn585
The AMA and BigPharma created this in concert with "researchers" at some universities that are plugged into grant sponsors like NIH.
They create the problem with super strong drugs, idiot docs that write scripts rather than treat root causes. Then there's a problem. Surprise surprise.
Now we need all sorts of research done to understand the problem and fix the problem. Cha ching.
Now we need govt initiatives. Cha ching.
Now we need other drugs to get people off the current drugs. Cha ching.
Now doctors have another subset of patients for special referrals, special tests, etc. Cha ching.
Do some reading on the history of the AMA. How it thwarted the growth of medicine that the market was demanding and then its gradual transformation to an arm of the Democratic party (aka its moronic stance on ObamaCare and other measures). Add in the 1965 Medicare Act and you can then understand why we've been on this path for over 50 years now.
Medical care is getting worse and doctors are getting crappier, encounter times shorter, errors more common, life expectancy shorter, costs higher. So much for the Hippocratic Oath.
Oh and for the doctors that want to knash your teeth at this - go reconcile the abhorrent number of medical errors & first do no harm, then get back to me.
They create the problem with super strong drugs, idiot docs that write scripts rather than treat root causes. Then there's a problem. Surprise surprise.
Now we need all sorts of research done to understand the problem and fix the problem. Cha ching.
Now we need govt initiatives. Cha ching.
Now we need other drugs to get people off the current drugs. Cha ching.
Now doctors have another subset of patients for special referrals, special tests, etc. Cha ching.
Do some reading on the history of the AMA. How it thwarted the growth of medicine that the market was demanding and then its gradual transformation to an arm of the Democratic party (aka its moronic stance on ObamaCare and other measures). Add in the 1965 Medicare Act and you can then understand why we've been on this path for over 50 years now.
Medical care is getting worse and doctors are getting crappier, encounter times shorter, errors more common, life expectancy shorter, costs higher. So much for the Hippocratic Oath.
Oh and for the doctors that want to knash your teeth at this - go reconcile the abhorrent number of medical errors & first do no harm, then get back to me.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:51 am to RoosterCogburn585
quote:Then, you wouldn't be an addict.
my first action would to be to look for some kind of help, not go looking for heroin or whatever else.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:52 am to olgoi khorkhoi
This seems mandatory, somehow


Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:01 am to saint tiger225
So, hypothetical here. You are addicted to oxy or heroin or whatever, but you are broke. You need your next fix but you don't have the money for it so you decide to rob someone. Who's to blame for the the robbery? The drug companies for making the pills that got you addicted? The doctor for prescribing the pills to you in the first place to treat your condition?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:02 am to RoosterCogburn585
The guy robbing someone is responsible for robbing someone.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:04 am to Breesus
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How much blame belongs on the abuser?
100%
I agree. Just like it's all those illiterate undereducated kids faults that they're stupid right?
That's kind of like comparing apples to oranges...good job. Are people so stupid that they just do what the doc tells them. It's the parents fault that kids are stupid....but it's your fault if you get addicted to pills.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:05 am to Evil Little Thing
So then why is a drug company responsible for creating a product to treat a condition or a doctor to blame for prescribing the pill to treat a condition. Yes, there is def over-prescribing, but ultimately it falls to the individual to recognize when it becomes a problem, imho
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:06 am to Devil_doge
Mostly because of the expansion of Medicaid. Poors getting free stuff from doctors who get paid by the TAXPAYERS!
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:14 am to RoosterCogburn585
not even close to the same thing. One is "you can do this, it's 'healthy'" The other is a prescribed solution to an urgent pressing problem. The opiod is also far more addictive than either of the other 2.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:18 am to RoosterCogburn585
Not all minds are the same. Some can do coke and heroin and not do them again. Others reward them once and are trapped.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:19 am to RoosterCogburn585
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So then why is a drug company responsible for creating a product to treat a condition or a doctor to blame for prescribing the pill to treat a condition. Yes, there is def over-prescribing, but ultimately it falls to the individual to recognize when it becomes a problem, imho
With all your down votes...it's clear we have some pill poppers in this thread...
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:20 am to RoosterCogburn585
I’m not sure why you started this thread. You believe 100% of the blame is on the individual, and you don’t want to believe anything else. That’s cool.
Nobody here is saying that the individual has zero responsibility. This issue is not black or white like you want it to be.
Nobody here is saying that the individual has zero responsibility. This issue is not black or white like you want it to be.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:20 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Medical doctors practice medicine. That's what they do prescribe medicine.
quote:it's only a little, because doctors are trusted as care providers. I see a lot of patients who are so ignorant on the drugs they take. Many take 20 pills a day, and I know they don't know the difference between lostartin and atenolol, but if the doctor says take it, they take it.
Why is it any person other than the junkies fault for this case?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:20 am to RoosterCogburn585
Addiction is very real, but the effectiveness of opioid medications to treat pain is also very real.
The big problem is both oxycodone and hydrocodone have become generic and big pharma no longer profits from its use. Since the amount of problems is not sufficient to provoke the government into action, lobbyists have combined pain meds with fentanyl and heroin to create an actionable crisis.
Doctors are no longer allowed to utilize effective treatment and patients are no longer able to utilize inexpensive relief.
The big problem is both oxycodone and hydrocodone have become generic and big pharma no longer profits from its use. Since the amount of problems is not sufficient to provoke the government into action, lobbyists have combined pain meds with fentanyl and heroin to create an actionable crisis.
Doctors are no longer allowed to utilize effective treatment and patients are no longer able to utilize inexpensive relief.
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