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re: Homicides in East Baton Rouge reach all-time high
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:04 pm to OweO
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:04 pm to OweO
Eventually a white cop will shoot another black criminal, and it won’t matter if it was in self defense. Under the current political climate in BR, it will get blown hugely out of proportion and the officer will be crucified in the court of public opinion by local “community activists.”
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:06 pm to Deactived
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dallas 25% black
tampa 26
orlando 25
miami 19
san francisco 6
st pete 23
fort worth 18
seattle 8
austin 8
jacksonville 30
el paso 3
reno 2
boise 1
portland 6
san diego 6
bakersfield 8
san jose 2
You're using objective data. No arguments here about the conclusion you came up with. I may not like it but the evidence is there.
Back to the police claiming they need more people, can we all agree that the data to support that narrative is suspect at best? I would think more information is needed.. unless the city has a budget surplus that is burning a hole in their pocket or something.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:09 pm to upgrayedd
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That's an interesting statistic. I notice those areas also don't have a large culcha population too
That does appear to be the case. Cities like El Paso, Laredo, and Fresno are intriguing because they are majority comprised of immigrants and their children. POC that are poor and yet the homicide rates are low and they don't have huge police forces.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 12/8/17 at 11:57 pm to upgrayedd
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I notice those areas also don't have a large culcha population t
It may not be popular to state it, but that’s a very important factor. Says a lot about the black culture, doesn’t it?
Posted on 12/9/17 at 6:11 am to jdeval1
It’s a magical utopia of a place. The NBR is a cornucopia of culture that is on the cusp of greatness. We just need to pump some money in there and the lead will stop flying. They will prosper and flourish.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 10:52 am to BeepNode
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Back to the police claiming they need more people, can we all agree that the data to support that narrative is suspect at best?
The best way is to look at calls to service. If BR has a higher service volume than those then obviously you need more police to cover the higher volume of calls.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 11:18 am to TDcline
quote:Tell me more about all the police officers who were involved in justified shootings that lost their jobs.
God forbid you ever have to use your weapon in the line of duty, no matter how justified, you’ll be crucified publicly, lose your job
Posted on 12/9/17 at 11:29 am to bconne1
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Tell me more about all the police officers who were involved in justified shootings that lost their jobs.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 11:34 am to upgrayedd
The mayor of Baltimore tried to put all of the cops in the Freddie Gray case in jail too. There was just no evidence that they committed any crime.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 11:34 am to BeepNode
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You're using objective data. No arguments here about the conclusion you came up with. I may not like it but the evidence is there.
Oh but you want to steer the convo that the problem is the police
How convenient
Posted on 12/9/17 at 11:35 am to Deactived
Going “skrait” duffy ouchea...
FIFY
FIFY
Posted on 12/9/17 at 11:40 am to jdeval1
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The mayor of Baltimore tried to put all of the cops in the Freddie Gray case in jail too. There was just no evidence that they committed any crime.
Another example of the Ferguson Effect. An elected official took it upon herself to get "the justice the community deserves" rather than remaining neutral. No cop wants to be a stepping stone for a political career. It's scary that someone like a DA is willing to put people in jail and destroy their lives so they can give an ignorant public what they want. The fact that the Baltimore DA hasn't been disbarred is disturbing. Even the judge in the case admonished her for her complete lack of procedural knowledge.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:43 pm to upgrayedd
He resigned though, right? It’s not like he was fired or laid off.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:45 pm to Deactived
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Oh but you want to steer the convo that the problem is the police How convenient
You’re lacking reading comprehension if that’s what you got out of that. I provided data that questions whether lack of police is to blame so in essence I’m putting the blame on the citizens.
Also, we are talking about quantity of police (raw number of officers) and I never even addressed quality as a factor. Very hard to quantify but others cited the furgeson effect.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:51 pm to BeepNode
My guess is that BR has historically had much higher crime than the national average so BRPD feels like it needs higher staffing levels. It makes complete sense to me that Baltimore would have higher per capita police staffing than Boise.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 12:58 pm to bconne1
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He resigned though, right? It’s not like he was fired or laid off.
Yes, because he basically had a target on his back from then on out. He was tried in he court of public opinion and he lost. He lost his job due to the incident, but wasn't fired. Those 2 BR cops likely won't return to their normal jobs either. They'll either have administrative jobs or resign, but they'll probably never be regular beat cops again. If they do get to return to the street, they'll be harassed by people like Silky Slim to the point where they'll have to be reassigned. In any case, SWB and her new chief won't allow those guys to do much because they're too much of a political liability.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 1:00 pm to BeepNode
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Also, we are talking about quantity of police (raw number of officers) and I never even addressed quality as a factor. Very hard to quantify but others cited the furgeson effect.
Ferguson Effect is part of it, but like you revealed, the demographics of the population you are policing are likely a major factor as well.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 2:06 pm to jdeval1
But Police killing innocent citizens is our real problem? Quit hiding from the real problem and blaming another issue or the real problem will only worsen, and worsen...
Posted on 12/9/17 at 2:10 pm to upgrayedd
The 90’s were way worse in BR. Especially being such a smaller city compared to today’s present population.
Posted on 12/9/17 at 2:40 pm to upgrayedd
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If they do get to return to the street, they'll be harassed by people like Silky Slim to the point where they'll have to be reassigned.
Or murdered.
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