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re: Herd Turns on Hunters After They Gun Down Bull Elephant
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:38 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:38 am to Darth_Vader
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There’s not even any sport in killing the animal. It’s no different than just walking out into a pasture and shooting a cow that’s grazing on grass.
Not all that much different than putting out a deer feeder and hiding in a tree with a rifle or bow IMO.
Want to make it a sport? Go kill that buck with a knife.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:38 am to Jcorye1
Not only that, the vast majority of game animals in the US are on private property
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:40 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Full disclosure I don't hunt, I hike. That being said, our national parks are literally falling apart due to lack of funding.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:40 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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the vast majority of game animals in the US are on private property
eh....
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:46 am to Jcorye1
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The only reasons hogs are a problem now is they are too expensive and not that great to eat. Flip that and they are gone in a couple of years..
Not Great To eat: "I don't know how to process or cook them- so they suck!"
Yes- wild hogs are an expensive problem. But as far as WHY they're a problem, I have to disagree with his opinion. They have very few natural predators, eat just about everything- including their own young- and then there's the fact that they're the most prolific medium/large mammal on Earth. It has nothing to do with the uninformed thinking they are "gross".
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:47 am to Jcorye1
Trust me, I know
A lot of them are also over-populated
A lot of them are also over-populated
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:51 am to Salmon
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eh....
In the lower 48? Absolutely
Posted on 10/19/18 at 7:55 am to Chucktown_Badger
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It is simply odd to me that people high five and celebrate after blasting to death a huge animal who was not threatened by them and simply eating grass.
Again you have no idea what you are talking about here.
These old giant bulls that are shot are selected well ahead of time by the game managers and only a select few animals are targeted. They are old bulls that generally are not breeding and are often times dangerous to the locals.
Again you are saying there is ‘no sport’ in response to a video in which the hunter almost was killed. How much more ignorant could your post be?
If a hunter did not shoot it, then the game manager likely would for $0 net income.
Furthermore, everyone totes National parks and photography. Yet the national parks and areas to photograph are plentiful over there and generally not very busy at all. Adding more parks, is not adding more tourism dollars whatsoever. Virtually $0 additionally would be added by a new park opening.
Yet removing the hunting would be a large net monetary loss.
Whoever said zebras is ignorant. They are great eating.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:02 am to LSUballsack
quote:Like abortion law?
law over morals
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:14 am to SG_Geaux
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Want to make it a sport? Go kill that buck with a knife.
People actually do hunt feral hogs with dogs and knives- but feral hogs are outlaw quadrupeds and not considered to be game animals.
Not sure if you were making a serious suggestion- but aside from being nearly impossible to do except in the movies, deer hunting with a knife would likely be considered an illegal means of take.
But either way- I wouldn't want to piss off the guy who is successful doing it.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:31 am to Darth_Vader
Good. I'm a hunter and believe there is absolutely no reason at all to kill an elephant.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:06 am to oleheat
How about I keep going instead? In 2011, last year I could find data, less than 16 million people went hunting in the US. Given a population of over 320M, that is actually less than 5%. So I was being generous by saying 10%. I got that figure from the US fish and wildlife service. So tell me how I'm wrong..
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:12 am to oleheat
I know hundreds of hunters and pretty much none of them process their own meat and none of them like hunting hog. The meat is too lean and you can't eat the males. The only way is to catch them and fatten them up for awhile, castrate the males. Its a pain. Now they all shoot hog. But they dump the bodies out deep in the woods and let the other animals at them. But if hog was actually desired, I promise you there wouldn't be a problem with them anymore..
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:13 am to brmark70816
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How about I keep going instead? In 2011, last year I could find data, less than 16 million people went hunting in the US. Given a population of over 320M, that is actually less than 5%. So I was being generous by saying 10%. I got that figure from the US fish and wildlife service. So tell me how I'm wrong..
How about you address how much money those hunters contribute to conservation through donations, license fees, and extra taxes on hunting items, on top of the same income taxes you pay and claim are going to the parks?
Not to mention many landowners go above that and improve the habitat on their properties so that the animals can flourish, again at their own expense
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 9:15 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:21 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Extra taxes on hunting items, like what? A combo license in Texas is less than 100 dollars. I can't speak to donations, but tons of conservationists contribute too. I love to shoot, as do many more people than hunters. So its a bit wrong to take all gun/ammo sales and contribute them all to hunters..
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:25 am to brmark70816
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know hundreds of hunters and pretty much none of them process their own meat and none of them like hunting hog. The meat is too lean and you can't eat the males. The only way is to catch them and fatten them up for awhile, castrate the males. Its a pain. Now they all shoot hog. But they dump the bodies out deep in the woods and let the other animals at them. But if hog was actually desired, I promise you there wouldn't be a problem with them anymore..
Lol man this is laughably wrong.
Furthermore, the males aren’t the problem. At all. One male can breed hundreds of females a year.
The idea wild hogs aren’t eaten is laughable.
We have millions of acres of national, state, and local parks. So does Africa. The idea that we should turn all ‘hunting’ land into non hunting wildlife land and we would get anywhere close to the same income is absolutely laughable.
A huge part of africa’s Elephant decline is not hunting. It’s too many people. American Bison were hunted out, but the idea that their numbers would be any greater today that they are now is laughable too. Where would they live? Elephant herds need 1000s of square miles to live on for the most part. That land simply isn’t available for use anymore. Sure their numbers could be better, but not that much better. The reason they aren’t increasing in numbers has nothing to do with legal hunting, and removing legal hunting of them would do absolutely nothing to increase their numbers.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 9:30 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:30 am to brmark70816
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Extra taxes on hunting items, like what?
Pittman–Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:33 am to brmark70816
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I know hundreds of hunters and pretty much none of them process their own meat and none of them like hunting hog. The meat is too lean and you can't eat the males. The only way is to catch them and fatten them up for awhile, castrate the males. Its a pain. Now they all shoot hog. But they dump the bodies out deep in the woods and let the other animals at them. But if hog was actually desired, I promise you there wouldn't be a problem with them anymore..
Dude, seriously- none of this is true.
Let me say this one time, please. There is nothing- NOTHING- wrong with wild hog meat. It is all about how you handle them. Ideally, you should thoroughly clean them before putting a knife to them. I guarantee you none of the people you know claiming to be hunters do this.
Hogs are known for being....pigs. If there is any contaminated mud from their wallows allowed to get on the bare meat, yes- it will affect the taste of the meat, because it contains a mixture of mud, LOTS OF URINE, and sometimes feces. CLEAN...THEM- until the water running off of them is clear. That same rule goes for any game animal or domestic farm animal meant for your table.
I happen to be set up for dealing with them, after the kill. I can promise you- if done properly, wild hog meat rivals any "organic meat" you will find.
People who tell you otherwise don't know what they're talking about. That's all I can say.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:36 am to baldona
I didn't say anything about converting anything and I'm totally pro-hunting. I just don't agree with the guy boasting about hunters saving all the wildlife or without them we would be overrun. There is a balance and both appreciate nature equally.
As far as Elephants. Its hard to watch. I get putting them down, but its not hunting. Its no different than going to the farm and shooting a cow. I don't want to see either, but I eat the hell out of cow. As long as the animal isn't disrespected and doesn't go to waste..
As far as Elephants. Its hard to watch. I get putting them down, but its not hunting. Its no different than going to the farm and shooting a cow. I don't want to see either, but I eat the hell out of cow. As long as the animal isn't disrespected and doesn't go to waste..
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:41 am to brmark70816
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I just don't agree with the guy boasting about hunters saving all the wildlife
hunters and anglers have done more for wildlife and wildlife habitat than any other group out there
from 2016:
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The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is doling out $1.1 billion to the states in the 2016 fiscal year. The funds were generated by the Pittman-Robertson Wildlife Restoration and Dingell-Johnson Sport Fish Restoration Acts and will go toward conservation efforts within each state.
The funding is raised from excise taxes laid out in the two acts, Pittman-Robertson for the sale of hunting equipment and Dingell-Johnson for fishing. The percentage of money paid by the hunting, boating, and angling industries on firearms, bows, and ammunition (Pittman-Robertson), and sport-fishing tackle, some boat engines, and small-engine fuel (Dingell-Johnson) helps pay for research, management, and enforcement performed the various fish and wildlife agencies across the country.
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