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re: Heckler & Koch SP5: An MP5 Civilian Variant Is Coming to the US Market!
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:00 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:00 am to upgrayedd
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What do you mean by "less effective"?
It is a big sumbitch to put a single 9x19 downrange per trigger pull. I would argue in the types of situations a MP5 excels in the SP5 would not be as effective at putting rounds on target as a G17 for example. What makes a sub-gun so good at its job is the burst or auto fire. I know the MP5SF variants exist and are used by some agencies but as a carbine which I think the AR platform is much better at given the chambering options.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:05 am to mark65mc
Rather have one chambered in 10mm Auto.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:05 am to Obtuse1
The longer barrel alone makes it more effective than a G17. It's a good CQB setup with low recoil and has a far less chance of overpenetration than a rifle caliber in a similar size.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:09 am to BigAppleTiger
quote:
alt-right
This exists only in the imagination of a few bitter leftists.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:12 am to upgrayedd
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has a far less chance of overpenetration than a rifle caliber in a similar size.
Actually... That is false. Lots of people assumed that in the 80’s and it was oft repeated as gospel. It would make sense right? A pistol bullet penetrates less than a rifle bullet. Then a bunch of people tested it. The LARGER and HEAVIER pistol bullet penetrates more in structures (Sheetrock, tile, etc) than the lighter and thinner jacketed rifle bullet which tends to break up after impact.
Obviously this was testing with the 9mm vs the 5.56 rounds. Don’t come in here and tell me I am wrong and quote something like the .460 Rigby (elephant round) or a .50 BMG.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:16 am to jbgleason
sorry, i meant overpenetrating the target, not necessarily walls alone. although, i'm curious how much short barrel ar's affect those penetration metrics.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:20 am to upgrayedd
Agreed and, in all fairness, the metrics of advanced bullet design in the 9mm as of recent coupled with the short barrels in AR’s probably means that new testing is warranted.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:52 am to jbgleason
I'll keep my AR9 and Vector in .45
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:01 am to Zip Monkey
Meh, if you want a CQB gun get an AR "pistol" with an 11" barrel.
...throw on an aimpoint and a surefire. Good to go.
...throw on an aimpoint and a surefire. Good to go.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:12 am to Zip Monkey
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MSRP: $2,799
That's about what you'd pay for a Dakota Tactical, but H&K could have destroyed all competition by pricing it closer to $2k. They just can't help themselves take money from the American market.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:12 am to CptRusty
that's badass!
I have been eyeing new rifles lately but I just bought the Beretta A400 because I was tried of fricking around with my A5!!
Maybe in a few months!
I have been eyeing new rifles lately but I just bought the Beretta A400 because I was tried of fricking around with my A5!!
Maybe in a few months!
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:34 am to Zip Monkey
kinda want
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:37 am to Zip Monkey
I've gone like 3 years without buying a firearm but this may pull me back into the game
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:41 am to Zip Monkey
when I worked at the gun shop, I sold the owner of my current employer a real MP5SD for $32K.
You just cant beat suppressed full auto. pure magic to shoot
You just cant beat suppressed full auto. pure magic to shoot
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:44 am to Zip Monkey
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MSRP: $2,799
It's cool but very pricy
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:46 am to 14&Counting
I'm sure they will be nearly impossible to find in stock, just like B&T guns.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:46 am to Pettifogger
I think Midwest has M Lok rails for it too
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:06 am to Centinel
quote:Your proof?
No one needs a military grade assault rifle gun.
Be aware that I can supply at least 5 reasons why we NEED these guns.
I'll take 2 as soon as they are available.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:07 am to Redbone
You seriously can't tell that he's being sarcastic?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:13 am to Centinel
quote:
No one needs a military grade assault rifle gun.
But they may want one. So there's that. And if they want one, and can pass a background check, then they should be able to get one.
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