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Have we really ruined the youth of America?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:34 am
Another thread reminded me of this article I saw and it kind of resonated. Thoughts?
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#5 – Making you ashamed of taking a manual labor job.
During one recent protest, somebody from the Chicago Board of Trade dumped McDonald's applications on the protesters. This made me think of a viral Facebook post that David Wong showed me the other day:
Conversation with my therapist today:
Me: I just get %$^#*# off by the older generation
Therapist: Why?
Me: Because when I grew up, we were force fed the idea that if we didn’t want to be flipping burgers at McDonald’s then we better go to college.
Therapist: And?
Me: And now we’ve gone to colleges, have degrees, can’t get a job, and the same people call us entitled a&$holes because we refuse to flip burgers!
Therapist: Touche.
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:39 am to yankeeundercover
I think it’s a bad idea to brainwash kids at an early age that they have to go to college.
Most young people would be better off acquiring a skill/trade then using that to figure out what they really wanted.
Most young people would be better off acquiring a skill/trade then using that to figure out what they really wanted.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:40 am to yankeeundercover
Maybe don't get a bullshite degree?
I struggled after school despite high earning STEM graduate degree. The good old boy bullshite kept me from getting good job in Louisiana.
I worked shite job in Louisiana for a year. Got paid less than I did bartending. Went to Texas. Got more experience, and moved back few years ago in management role.
Sometimes you just gotta be strategic and hustle to navigate the bullshite.
I struggled after school despite high earning STEM graduate degree. The good old boy bullshite kept me from getting good job in Louisiana.
I worked shite job in Louisiana for a year. Got paid less than I did bartending. Went to Texas. Got more experience, and moved back few years ago in management role.
Sometimes you just gotta be strategic and hustle to navigate the bullshite.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:41 am to yankeeundercover
Being force fed the idea that the trades were dirty jobs and people had to go to college to “make it” in life by people of an older generation, that didn’t fully comprehend that the ROI of a college education outside of STEM fields was plummeting, is definitely something that has had lasting ramifications.
It’s not just on parents though, guidance counselors actually suck at their jobs collectively and their lack of actual guidance kind of fricked over many many people and saddled them with debt they will struggle to deal with for years.
Many people have finally woken up to the idea that BS degrees aren’t worth the paper they are printed on, but it’s a little too late for many. This doesn’t completely exonerate those that as fully functional adults put their name on the dotted line to take out the student loans, but many of those that did that did it after being fed lines of garbage from people that didn’t fully understand the ROI when it comes to college.
It’s not just on parents though, guidance counselors actually suck at their jobs collectively and their lack of actual guidance kind of fricked over many many people and saddled them with debt they will struggle to deal with for years.
Many people have finally woken up to the idea that BS degrees aren’t worth the paper they are printed on, but it’s a little too late for many. This doesn’t completely exonerate those that as fully functional adults put their name on the dotted line to take out the student loans, but many of those that did that did it after being fed lines of garbage from people that didn’t fully understand the ROI when it comes to college.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:44 am to yankeeundercover
Here's an idea. Let kids flow to their talents and preferences.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:52 am to yankeeundercover
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:54 am to Ross
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Being force fed the idea that the trades were dirty jobs and people had to go to college to “make it” in life
I agree with this idea 100%. But I’m still gonna do everything I can to make sure my kid LSU get a good college degree with no debt
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:55 am to yankeeundercover
Not necessarily "we", but those who make decisions have done a disservice to the youth by continuing to defund trade schools. I have family who works in/with the school system and is an administrator at a trade school. No other area has suffered more from a lack of financing than trade and tech schools. Getting anything funded is nearly impossible, and programs are subject to being cut from one year to the next, which sucks for a multi-year program. What trade/tech schools offer had been borderline vilified for decades now and it has garnered a "stigma" as lesser than or only for dumb kids. The fact that many educators are perfectly fine perpetuating that stigma is a shame.
Fortunately, it appears that Alabama law makers may be attempting to change some of that. Bills have been passed to start funding again and hopefully pushing trade/tech schools again.
Fortunately, it appears that Alabama law makers may be attempting to change some of that. Bills have been passed to start funding again and hopefully pushing trade/tech schools again.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:57 am to BabyTac
quote:I don’t think that this is the “current mindset” of America... I think that most of us are onboard without the “vilification of the working man”...
I think it’s a bad idea to brainwash kids at an early age that they have to go to college
I know, personally, I was fed the “you have to get a degree” bullshite...
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:58 am to Oilfieldbiology
I was on a full ride and got a engineering degree so needless to say college was very good to me. Clearly that path is superior to a majority of the trades, but something like pulling out a loan to get an art degree is probably another story; so I’d also agree with that idea with the contingency that you choose a worthwhile degree and find an avenue to get that degree paid for without getting saddled with huge student loans.
Just work the concept of ROI into your lessons about college with your kid and make them more informed about the realities of the cost of attendance and the job market and you’ll have done your part IMO
Just work the concept of ROI into your lessons about college with your kid and make them more informed about the realities of the cost of attendance and the job market and you’ll have done your part IMO
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:59 am to yankeeundercover
quote:
I just get %$^#*# off by the older generation
Did they censor pissed or is there some cooler word I could be using but am not aware of?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:59 am to Ross
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:01 am to OysterPoBoy
I didn’t catch what the possible redaction would have to be contextually 
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:02 am to yankeeundercover
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Me: And now we’ve gone to colleges, have degrees, can’t get a job, and the same people call us entitled a&$holes because we refuse to flip burgers!
We are in one of the best economic times in decades. Maybe don't major in basket weaving?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:02 am to yankeeundercover
Nothing did. The Youth of yesterday, today and tomorrow are perpetually ruined.
Each generation thinks the one before was awful and the one after them is doomed.
Each generation figures it out and adapts to the times they live in.
Cycle continues
Each generation thinks the one before was awful and the one after them is doomed.
Each generation figures it out and adapts to the times they live in.
Cycle continues
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Here's an idea. Let kids flow to their talents and preferences.
True...as long as they know that art, history, political science, philosophy, [enter grievance group here] studies, and English degrees won't make them any money nor are they entitled to any job or other people's money.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:05 am to fallguy_1978
quote:Got any documentation or credible links to back this up?
We are in one of the best economic times in decades.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:09 am to yankeeundercover
I can give an example of the benefits of trade school, particularly in how it relates to STEM jobs.
I went to technical school and so did a good friend of mine. He was in computer programming or some such classes. By the time we graduated, he had competed at national competitions all 3 years, obtained most of his certifications, and earned a full ride scholarship.
He is, of course, an extreme example, but most others in his class got the certs and had decent jobs upon graduation.
I was in the Drafting program, specifically mechanical drafting. I finished the program, but am not currently working in the field. However, it has helped me over the years and certainly did early on in my working life. And the best part of both his and my education? It was free. We got good training from capable instructors and obtained valuable experience without spending a dime.
Both my friend and I went on to college, but we had pretty good jobs for freshmen and sophomores and a jump on most everyone in our college courses.
I went to technical school and so did a good friend of mine. He was in computer programming or some such classes. By the time we graduated, he had competed at national competitions all 3 years, obtained most of his certifications, and earned a full ride scholarship.
He is, of course, an extreme example, but most others in his class got the certs and had decent jobs upon graduation.
I was in the Drafting program, specifically mechanical drafting. I finished the program, but am not currently working in the field. However, it has helped me over the years and certainly did early on in my working life. And the best part of both his and my education? It was free. We got good training from capable instructors and obtained valuable experience without spending a dime.
Both my friend and I went on to college, but we had pretty good jobs for freshmen and sophomores and a jump on most everyone in our college courses.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:16 am to yankeeundercover
quote:this person has a point... if it’s 2009
And now we’ve gone to colleges, have degrees, can’t get a job, and the same people call us entitled a&$holes because we refuse to flip burgers!
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:28 am to yankeeundercover
I can’t stand the “ok boomer” stuff either but there’s some truth to this conversation. College wasn’t as expensive and education wasn’t as necessary for the same jobs coming out of college 40 years ago. Times have just changed. I wish my generation would just stop whining and adjust. Yeah it sucks but stop looking for people to tell you that you had it rougher than they did, I’m sure they know it’s not easy but no one wants to always hear that shite.
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