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re: Has anyone talked about the Mr. Beast guy (Chris) going trans?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 12:43 am to saint tiger225
Posted on 4/14/23 at 12:43 am to saint tiger225
Society, almost overnight:
“Men need abortion rights and cervical cancer screening”
“There is a trans genocide going on and this is trans day/month/etc.”
“Look at this heroic man in a dress, she’s the first ever trans ________!”
“Employees need to list their preferred pronouns that were previously always obvious to everyone”
“The lady with the beard should be in the same bathroom with your daughter, don’t ask questions”
Also society:
“Lol why do you guys talk about trans people so much”
“Men need abortion rights and cervical cancer screening”
“There is a trans genocide going on and this is trans day/month/etc.”
“Look at this heroic man in a dress, she’s the first ever trans ________!”
“Employees need to list their preferred pronouns that were previously always obvious to everyone”
“The lady with the beard should be in the same bathroom with your daughter, don’t ask questions”
Also society:
“Lol why do you guys talk about trans people so much”
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 1:35 am to father2sons
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Mr. Beast guy
who?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 2:19 am to father2sons
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Dude had a wife and 2 kids and just went trans and said frick all that out of nowhere.
Maybe it’s a way to get divorced without having to pay alimony
Posted on 4/14/23 at 5:25 am to saint tiger225
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but that's the parents job to make sure that doesn't happen. The government shouldn't be in our homes unless it's to take a child out of danger, which they should absolutely do if a parent is giving kids those drugs under the age of 18.
But our federal government is making a giant push to make these drugs available to kids as young as 10 years old in some cases. Some states are trying to push legislation where a child can talk to a guidance counselor at school and make it illegal to tell the the parents.
The backlash from conservatives who don't want this shite pushed onto their kids isn't the "weird obsession". It's the sick adults running institutions like schools and children's hospitals and their touting these treatments as "life saving gender affirmation care" (which is asinine considering the suicide rate amongst post-op trans people is off the charts) that is the weird obsession.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 5:28 am to cable
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who?
Your kids know him
Posted on 4/14/23 at 6:29 am to crazy4lsu
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I just don't buy that line of argument. I am very skeptical that anyone would choose to be transgender due to social pressure, just from my in-clinic experience. Those patients are signing themselves up for years of intensive therapy and care for social clout alone? That is exceedingly hard to believe.
You dont come across as skeptical at all. You come across as a product of group think and espouse ideas that have ran pervasive through the medical community within the past decade that are intertwined with political agendas. Occam's Razor my friend. The answer is right in front of you but the "skeptic" in you doesn't want to admit it.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 6:41 am to crazy4lsu
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For what end?
For the patients, personal enrichment, the ability to dictate to others (even something as minor as pronouns) The feeling of power, appeasement of comorbid psychiatric disorders, etc. That is the end to itself. You can just imagine an adolescent who is bullied / picked on immediately entering what they perceive to be either a protected class or others who "understand" them.
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Again, to what end?
For the psychiatrists, $$$ and getting a cluster B patient the hell out of their office. Some I know won't even work with them and refer them elsewhere.
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What cluster B disorders? Do you mean there is an overlap in symptomatology? And personal enrichment and/or bullying?
Borderline and narcissism especially latch onto GD with a vengeance. BPD and Narcissism used to latch onto other things, such as bipolar disorder which was, like GD, also grossly overdiagnosed.
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That just isn't my experience with my friends who are trans.
This is exactly why this conversation has become circular and why you seem to be incapable of being truly objective on this subject - you aren't seeing what is really out there.
I wouldn't expect you to, not your wheelhouse, but yeah... the DSM guidelines needs to be far more stringent than they currently are, and new diagnosis should be put in to protect impressionable children and adolescents from themselves - similar to how DMDD was created to prevent overdiagnosis of bipolar disorder.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 6:49 am
Posted on 4/14/23 at 6:42 am to Pettifogger
quote:The opposite is also true. Society almost overnight:
Society, almost overnight:
"These purple headed freaks are grooming our children"
"We need to ban all books that we think are inappropriate, we can't trust these people at all"
"CRT, sex ed., cat litter in classrooms...these people are crazy!"
"Look at all these teachers sexually molesting our children, it's abhorrent and they should be executed!"
Also society:
"We need to give teachers guns to protect our children!"
"15 year old boy raped by female teacher, details at 11" "Yeah but was she hot? Not legit"
Point being, all of our priorities are out of whack to a detrimental degree, and it's both ways. How the frick do we fix it?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 8:09 am to DeathValley85
Just to clear this up, the tranny is not Mr. Beast himself,but his friend.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 8:43 am to USMCguy121
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For the patients, personal enrichment, the ability to dictate to others (even something as minor as pronouns) The feeling of power, appeasement of comorbid psychiatric disorders, etc. That is the end to itself. You can just imagine an adolescent who is bullied / picked on immediately entering what they perceive to be either a protected class or others who "understand" them.
Is there data for this? These are awfully specific claims.
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Borderline and narcissism especially latch onto GD with a vengeance. BPD and Narcissism used to latch onto other things, such as bipolar disorder which was, like GD, also grossly overdiagnosed.
Well, I was hoping for something more specific, as in cross-presentation of specific symptoms. The most common comorbid condition I saw was definitely Asperger's. Is there a well-defined set of symptoms for borderline in children that are distinct from other disorders? I was under the impression that psychiatrists were reticent to give that diagnosis to children.
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This is exactly why this conversation has become circular and why you seem to be incapable of being truly objective on this subject - you aren't seeing what is really out there.
Well, I can't rely on you just insisting something is a certain way without any evidence offered. There wasn't really anything objective about your own post, unless you think that all of your own thoughts are 'objective' by definition. It seemed you were speaking from experiences, not from data, and nothing you've suggested says I should elevate yours over my own.
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the DSM guidelines needs to be far more stringent than they currently are, and new diagnosis should be put in to protect impressionable children and adolescents from themselves
Again, how long do you think it takes between a GD diagnosis and more invasive therapies?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 8:47 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
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You dont come across as skeptical at all
What? I'm skeptical of a particular line of argument.
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You come across as a product of group think and espouse ideas that have ran pervasive through the medical community within the past decade that are intertwined with political agendas.
Nonsense.
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The answer is right in front of you but the "skeptic" in you doesn't want to admit it.
I can only proportion belief to the evidence on hand. I've gotten no evidence specifically from anyone other than insisting their viewpoint is correct, while I've had to try to explain the entirety of the view of the state of research from a molecular bio perspective. It's more the case that you are seeing what you want to believe, and don't know how to construct an argument that could convince me.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 8:50 am to Palantir
I don't see how that's the opposite at all. It strikes me as a weird "whataboutism" but I'm not sure what the point is.
It's not like there is some major institutional balancing on the trans issue or the race issue with a strong countering underway. Nearly every institution is endorsing a) trans ideology and b) destructive concepts like whiteness, equity, etc. The "grooming" idea is a direct response to every institution in America trying to go from "uh, that's weird" to "accept and endorse and admit that men can get pregnant or else!!!!" in the span of 10 years. And even if we acknowledge that it's an overdramatized reaction (it is in the individual sense, although with plenty of truth in the aggregate), it's a small minority position.
This isn't some Poli Board hyperbole. Trans issues were mostly an afterthought in 2013 in the large majority of the country. Ten years later, the WH spends the day after a trans person slaughtered Christian kids promoting the fiction of "trans genocide" (which, very likely, was the very same conspiracy theory at the root of the Nashville terrorist attack). I really can't imagine a clearer explanation of our institutional insanity.
I might add that removing books that refer to white people as white devils or that are in middle school libraries and show boys how to perform oral sex on each other is not weird. Sorry. If you don't agree with this then the solution is simple - we shouldn't live in the same country as one another.
Here's how ridiculous attempts at this conversation are. I considered making a list of a handful of things that - if the institutions of this country would promote them - would immediately start to pull us out of cultural rot (in response to your fixing it question). The first one was institutional promotion of traditional family norms, ie, marriage before kids, mother and father households that try and stay together and prioritize the family health over their personal ambitions or desires - this stuff shouldn't be very controversial.
In any reasonable society, wouldn't something as simple as "Things happen and hurdles can be overcome, but single parenthood is not the ideal for you or your child and as a culture we want the best for adults and children" be a reasonable stance for a government/influential institution to take? But some 1/3 of the country would likely scream and cry about that, perhaps some on this board, and therein lies the problem. You can't even get the discussion off the ground. We can't collectively fix problems when 1/3, 1/2, etc. don't see a very obvious problem as a problem.
It's not like there is some major institutional balancing on the trans issue or the race issue with a strong countering underway. Nearly every institution is endorsing a) trans ideology and b) destructive concepts like whiteness, equity, etc. The "grooming" idea is a direct response to every institution in America trying to go from "uh, that's weird" to "accept and endorse and admit that men can get pregnant or else!!!!" in the span of 10 years. And even if we acknowledge that it's an overdramatized reaction (it is in the individual sense, although with plenty of truth in the aggregate), it's a small minority position.
This isn't some Poli Board hyperbole. Trans issues were mostly an afterthought in 2013 in the large majority of the country. Ten years later, the WH spends the day after a trans person slaughtered Christian kids promoting the fiction of "trans genocide" (which, very likely, was the very same conspiracy theory at the root of the Nashville terrorist attack). I really can't imagine a clearer explanation of our institutional insanity.
I might add that removing books that refer to white people as white devils or that are in middle school libraries and show boys how to perform oral sex on each other is not weird. Sorry. If you don't agree with this then the solution is simple - we shouldn't live in the same country as one another.
Here's how ridiculous attempts at this conversation are. I considered making a list of a handful of things that - if the institutions of this country would promote them - would immediately start to pull us out of cultural rot (in response to your fixing it question). The first one was institutional promotion of traditional family norms, ie, marriage before kids, mother and father households that try and stay together and prioritize the family health over their personal ambitions or desires - this stuff shouldn't be very controversial.
In any reasonable society, wouldn't something as simple as "Things happen and hurdles can be overcome, but single parenthood is not the ideal for you or your child and as a culture we want the best for adults and children" be a reasonable stance for a government/influential institution to take? But some 1/3 of the country would likely scream and cry about that, perhaps some on this board, and therein lies the problem. You can't even get the discussion off the ground. We can't collectively fix problems when 1/3, 1/2, etc. don't see a very obvious problem as a problem.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 8:54 am to crazy4lsu
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I've gotten no evidence specifically from anyone other than insisting their viewpoint is correct, while I've had to try to explain the entirety of the view of the state of research from a molecular bio perspective.
well in fairness you engaged in a lot of that activity despite it not being especially relevant to the question I asked you
I think the onus of proof is on people in the medical community when certain members of that community assert that the concept of gender is real, meaningful, and needed to describe what we observe in the world and that we couldn't just apply Occam's razor and do away with the concept entirely. The burden of proof is also on them to bridge the gap between whatever this concept of gender is and our notions of biological sex to show that it makes any rational sense whatsoever to use this concept of gender to justify hormonal treatments.
I feel quite comfortable saying that "gender" is a completely artificial construct with no practical value, nor a consistent definition which is one huge reason why it lacks practical value, and could be discarded tomorrow and society would not be worse-off for it.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:00 am to crazy4lsu
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It would be nice to develop a biologic concept of gender, but part of that identity is experiential, and though we have had no problem defining experiences into phases or stages with respect to other parts of human development, we struggle with anything that could be construed as sexual.
No, it was never a struggle until people started using the phrase “my truth”. Which essentially means there is no actual truth. There is an actual, factual truth. But in order to coddle the fringe of society we have abandoned it.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:03 am to father2sons
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:05 am to jnethe1
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No, it was never a struggle until people started using the phrase “my truth”.
i.e., Fantasyland!
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:09 am to Blutarsky
Apparently now he's possibly trying to converting his kid too...
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:12 am to crazy4lsu
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I can only proportion belief to the evidence on hand. I've gotten no evidence specifically from anyone other than insisting their viewpoint is correct, while I've had to try to explain the entirety of the view of the state of research from a molecular bio perspective. It's more the case that you are seeing what you want to believe, and don't know how to construct an argument that could convince me.
Is observation not part of the scientific method? Most have given you multiple observations that you have in someway dismissed. You previously attempted to insult most by insinuating that it was to complicated and we wouldn't be able to understand it? Also, the onus is not on me to prove your argument. Most in this discussion have challenged it with simple cultural and political observations.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:25 am to Pettifogger
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ociety, almost overnight:
“Men need abortion rights and cervical cancer screening”
“There is a trans genocide going on and this is trans day/month/etc.”
“Look at this heroic man in a dress, she’s the first ever trans ________!”
“Employees need to list their preferred pronouns that were previously always obvious to everyone”
“The lady with the beard should be in the same bathroom with your daughter, don’t ask questions”
Also society:
“Lol why do you guys talk about trans people so much”
What you are seeing here is classic marxist indoctrination, with the usual suspects now mocking anyone who speaks against the false narrative.
This is what they want: 24/7 propaganda coming at you. Make the nonsense mainstream, then make those who point it out feel like they are isolated.
These groomers know exactly what they are doing.
I love the groomer comment about people being shot up on page one. We have posters here from Nashville, but again, I have to remind you that they LOVE seeing their enemies jailed, silenced, and killed. Thus the mocking.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:26 am to Ross
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ex who claimed she was a dragon trapped in a human body
Bet she was an animal in the sack.
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