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re: Has anyone talked about the Mr. Beast guy (Chris) going trans?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:50 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:50 am to crazy4lsu
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I mean, I agree
How would you convince someone that doesn't think "gender" as is currently being used is coherent as a concept nor is it necessary to describe any part of the observed world that they are mistaken?
I mean do you feel the medical community has met the burden of proof that the concept of "gender" is meaningful, well-defined, and necessary to describe observations in the world? It adds a layer of complexity to the previous paradigm and has it offered us anything of value in exchange for the added complexity?
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 9:54 am
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:51 am to Pettifogger
quote:There's absolutely nothing weird calling out double standards.
I don't see how that's the opposite at all. It strikes me as a weird "whataboutism" but I'm not sure what the point is.
We want these people out of our institutions because they're weird, leftist, groomers, etc., yet we want them protecting our kids by giving them guns. In what world does this even make sense? That's not a weird whataboutism...that's just plain idiocy.
We call our teachers predators, groomers, leftist, pedophiles, yet celebrate a 15 year old boy getting raped by his 26 year old teacher because she's "legit". The double standards are ridiculous, and should be called out.
We want to ban books about "teaching boys how to perform oral sex", yet also ban books suchs as Thank you, Jackie Robinson, Crank, Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close, etc. If it were simply compartmentalized into strictly banning books with content such as "teaching boys how to give oral sex to other boys" as you sate, then I personally wouldn't have an issue. But as stated above, this isn't the case. The double standards are ridiculous and overreaching, and honestly scary that we give this much power to local governments. This is not whataboutism in the slightest. This is reality. Our government is clever. Our government is tricky. Our government has found a way to effectively ban any books & laws they want, under the guise of "protecting" the children. There's a reason why this particular paragraph is longer than others. Banning books about things the particular governing body disagrees with (not just teaching oral sex to minors) is the start of a really, really scary future.
And my original point still stands, that in your own words, "we shouldn't live in the same country as one another" all because you *thought* I wanted to promote the books you described. That's fricking bullshite my man, and I've given examples of banned books that are direct opposite of your examples. Yet, you came to the incredible solution that we shouldn't live in the same country as one another? Sorry guy, but that is "some Poli Board hyperbole", as you said.
I'm sure what I said above is an extremely unpopular opinion on this website, and that's fine. My entire point was that how we are trying to fix things are not working, because we keep tripping over our own biases. I sure do wish we could fix the current situation though, because I'm fricking tired of seeing trannies being discussed so much on this great forum.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:52 am to crazy4lsu
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I keep seeing this repeated without seeing the actual data, but relative to where we were in the description of the disease 30 years ago, that is the easiest explanation
Your scientific approach is missing the larger cultural shift. The amount of clinically diagnosed cases may not be rising, but “social transitioning” is skyrocketing. Those people aren’t committing to come into the clinics to get drugs but it’s the next generation that is going to be doing it. The LGBT community lost all benefit of doubt that they won’t slide head first down the slippery slope.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:54 am to lionward2014
I couldn't give two shits about the dude going trans, but the wife and child thing is fricked up.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:55 am to USMCguy121
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Plenty of freebies on pubmed, but it's evident that you have decided on your stance and will defend it no matter what studies I link you to. If someone mentions data you'll talk about your experience. If someone tells you experience you'll ask for data, Round it goes.
Nah, I'm more open than you think. Again, no one in the thread has provided 'data' at all. The only data I recall being reference was the study that the clinic where I rotated through where they were discussing the decrease in suicidal ideation using their treatment, otherwise nothing has been offered. And I'll look into PubMed in a bit.
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Was removed as a diagnosis 10 years ago or so.
You're just telling me you really don't know much about psych over and over, which is fine, why would you - but you are waaaaay outside of your wheelhouse on this topic.
Yeah, I don't really care about the psychiatry other than reading about the molecular aspects of pathologies. Again, my interest in this topic is straight up from more or less what amounts to clinical molecular bio. If there is a way to convince me of something else going on, it would be to start there, since I value those interactions more.
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Last thing I'll add to this thread, the AMA's/APA will change their stance as soon as the lawsuits start rolling in en masse. Can't wait to see what comes in the next 10 years.
Are you a psychiatrist?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:57 am to crazy4lsu
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The only data I recall being reference was the study that the clinic where I rotated through where they were discussing the decrease in suicidal ideation using their treatment, otherwise nothing has been offered. And I'll look into PubMed in a bit.
Hasn't this been demonstrated to wane drastically in the years following treatment in most cases?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:58 am to Palantir
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:04 am to Pettifogger
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Exhibit "A" for this phenomenon (for me at least) will continue to be the AAP silently rolling back a 20+ year old position that small children seeing their parents' faces while talking is vital for development because it was interfering with arguments for masking.
I held on as long as I could against the idea that the medical/scientific community would so blatantly create findings to support a desired end, but that did it for me.
Covid, and how the medical community responded, destroyed any faith I had in the medical community to be objective and outside the influence of government.
How they're handling GD now is no different.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:06 am to Ross
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How would you convince someone that doesn't think "gender" as is currently being used is coherent as a concept nor is it necessary to describe any part of the observed world that they are mistaken?
Again, that feels so far outside my purview and training that it is difficult to give an answer. I don't even know what I think about the sex/gender divide.
I know what some of the more famous people who have definitely influenced the interrogation of sex and gender, but I also think that many of their theories have sort of been disproven by anthropology and descriptions of what early human ancestors were like. What they really were talking about was sex and gender with respect to power and autonomy, but for me, understanding the anthropology of early humans is more meaningful way of coming to terms with the 'robustness' of why we think sex and gender are the same.
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I mean do you feel the medical community has met the burden of proof that the concept of "gender" is meaningful, well-defined, and necessary to describe observations in the world? It adds a layer of complexity to the previous paradigm and has it offered us anything of value in exchange for the added complexity?
For the first question, no. For the second question, with respect to what moves me about medicine, yes, but there's going to be a big disconnect between myself and laypeople. I mean, has the sum of knowledge that we've gained in the medical sciences the past 30 years provided direct value to laypeople in a meaningful way? I use the 30 years description because the focus of newer research has been less about big questions and more about exploring the edges of those big questions.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:07 am to saint tiger225
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What's with the obsession of trans people here?
Lol it’s ruining families, degrading culture that we all have to live in/exist in, and a cultural contagion being pushed onto our kids from all directions of leftist controlled institutions, but yeah we are the ones obsessed for observing it happening in front of our faces.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:08 am to Palantir
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because I'm fricking tired of seeing trannies being discussed so much on this great forum.
This forum is a reflection of what is being discussed in this country at a social level.
Whether you like it or not, transgenderism is being beaten like a drum across most media outlets almost 24/7 now. The media falling all over itself to deflect from the Nashville shooting threw gas on the fire. It's going to be discussed here.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:09 am to crazy4lsu
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For the second question, with respect to what moves me about medicine, yes, but there's going to be a big disconnect between myself and laypeople.
So the additional complexity to the human condition afforded by the concept of “gender” has given value to the medical community.
It just seems odd you can derive value from something that isn’t well-defined or is even agreed upon to be necessary in evaluating the human condition.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:10 am to Centinel
quote:A very strange timeline we are currently going through, that is for sure
This forum is a reflection of what is being discussed in this country at a social level.
Whether you like it or not, transgenderism is being beaten like a drum across most media outlets almost 24/7 now. The media falling all over itself to deflect from the Nashville shooting threw gas on the fire. It's going to be discussed here.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:10 am to upgrayedd
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Hasn't this been demonstrated to wane drastically in the years following treatment in most cases?
Well, there was a rash of newer studies that came out between 2020 and 2023 which didn't really study the longer-term effects. I can't speak to older studies though. So it might be the case.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:13 am to lionward2014
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Your scientific approach is missing the larger cultural shift. The amount of clinically diagnosed cases may not be rising, but “social transitioning” is skyrocketing. Those people aren’t committing to come into the clinics to get drugs but it’s the next generation that is going to be doing it. The LGBT community lost all benefit of doubt that they won’t slide head first down the slippery slope.
I would argue that every major achievement for LGBTQ+ rights has been after an extremely uphill battle.
The slippery slope paints this doe hill picture of “well if we Give ‘em a once they’ll take a mile” and the reality is not much has been given to them.
They had to fight court cases to overturn sodomy laws and gay marriage bans. And social acceptance has been after long campaign to point out that hey, they’re still people.
People can complain about the slippery slope all they want but it’s been an uphill slope if you’re paying attention.
And it’s a fallacy to begin with. The idea that we shouldn’t do things that are absolutely the right thing to do because down the road someone will try and argue for the wrong thing is dumb.
No conservatives use care about the slippery slope of the second amendment leads directly to school shootings.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:14 am to crazy4lsu
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but I still struggle with explaining concepts to laypeople.
Should I go up to a girl who has anorexia and tell her “damn girl, you really are fat as frick like you think you are. You should definitely lose some weight”
Why or why not?
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:14 am to father2sons
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This on interested me because he used to blast gender stuff all the time and make fun of it.
Work at trucking company. People that always made fun of gay men non stop. Always. Always would look up gay men and follow everything they did. Talk about them all the time. Want to show you pictures of who’s gay. Always topless pictures. “Hey check out this qeurr “.
Very strange. It in interesting the amount of knowledge people have on here about trans people. Stalkerish. I don’t know any of these people y’all keep bringing up
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:16 am to upgrayedd
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Physical abuse is one thing, but this is mental abuse in the name of "love and acceptance" which is far more sinister IMO.
Agreed. It is manipulation of them at a spiritual level.
Matthew 18:6
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“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:17 am to SammyTiger
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No conservatives use care about the slippery slope of the second amendment leads directly to school shootings.
What a stupid fricking take. I was actually agreeing with what you had typed before the above.
You're just a partisan hack.
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