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re: Harvey ***Catastrophic Flooding Event***

Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:54 am to
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:54 am to
quote:

Flooding is the most dangerous aspect of this storm. No one gives a shite if it's a little gusty


Well, Cat.3/4 winds are a tad bit more than "gusty"...
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33653 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:55 am to
We are a preferred engineering consultant for the City and they are concerned to say the least......
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12480 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:55 am to
Question for the experts: if this thing intensifies into a Cat 3 or 4, could the inertia from the storm affect current predictions of stalling out around or south of Houston?
This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 10:56 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91837 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Man it's cut off most of that dry air and it's not a big plume of it either. I don't see it hampering strengthening much.




I know, just looking for potential issues that could slow it down. Unfortunately there isn't much to find.

One thing I read mentioned the shallow water of the shelf perhaps slowing development right before landfall. We've seen that happen to storms in the past. Doesn't do much for the rain, but lower straight-line winds would be a plus.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Well, Cat.3/4 winds are a tad bit more than "gusty"...

esp. if the gusty winds never want to leave
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:55 am to
937 would make it a comfy cat 4....
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
37846 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:56 am to
quote:

I've been flying about once every 5-6 weeks the past 4 years...and I still feel like that on about every damn flight. Can't be good for my mental state.



Xanax. Find some. It works wonders for this particular anxiety.
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
26226 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:56 am to
quote:

Well, Cat.3/4 winds are a tad bit more than "gusty"..


IF it gets to cat 3 or 4.

I stand by what I said with regards to what causes the most damage and impact to the city. It's the storm hanging over the city for 3 days and torrential down pour
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Flooding is the most dangerous aspect of this storm. No one gives a shite if it's a little gusty

Are you fricking serious? There are people who will likely experience 100 mph winds for over an entire fricking day.
This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 10:59 am
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
18622 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:57 am to
frick that.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:58 am to
quote:

Question for the experts: if this thing intensifies into a Cat 3 or 4, could the inertia from the storm affect current predictions of stalling out around or south of Houston?


Being in Central TX, that was actually one of my questions as well. It's not supposed to stall South of Houston, though...closer to San Antonio.

If Harv is able to push just a bit more inland because it's stronger than anticipated, then that changes things greatly for us.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:58 am to
quote:

IF it gets to cat 3 or 4. I stand by what I said with regards to what causes the most damage and impact to the city. It's the storm hanging over the city for 3 days and torrential down pour


Would suck to get all that rain. Especially with the roof of your house blown off
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
178834 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:59 am to
quote:



I stand by what I said with regards to what causes the most damage and impact to the city. It's the storm hanging over the city for 3 days and torrential down pour



This isn't an either or situation. OP originally had made that title before it was expected to be a big wind event. Now its a big wind event and flood event which the wind event is more important to note first as this approaches shore.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91837 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Question for the experts: if this thing intensifies into a Cat 3 or 4, could the inertia from the storm affect current predictions of stalling out around or south of Houston?


It doesn't really work that way. The GFS has it bottoming out at 937 mb, yet still stalls it and backs it up SE over a 48 hour window.

Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
178834 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:59 am to
quote:


Would suck to get all that rain. Especially with the roof of your house blown off



NOLA can give lessons, make sure you got video of your roof blown off before the rising water.
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
26226 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 11:00 am to
I'm not saying the winds don't suck. Pick your poison. Not really worth arguing about as I don't feel strongly about anything and I am not an expert. Just saying the rain and flooding is still a factor
Posted by TulaneUVA
Member since Jun 2005
26226 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 11:00 am to
Agree chad
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
42053 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 11:01 am to
New Orleans had a press conference:

Via @JAdelson

New Orleans Homeland Security Director Aaron Miller:

Current forecast of between 5 and 8 inches of rain, possibly more.
Landrieu has requested FEMA preposition resources in area ahead of Harvey.
We remain at diminished pump capacity. If system as strong as predicted, we would see some localized flooding even at full capacity
Make sure those with special needs sign up for special needs registry through 3-1-1
Please remove grass, leaves and other visible debris from catch basin openings before and after rainstorm
Crews working 24/7 to bring pumps back online, generators installed and available to be turned on
Variety of assets moved into region and city, emergency supplies and contingency equip, first responder supplies.

Landrieu: 5 to 10 inches of rain predicted during Harvey, potential for double in localized areas
Landrieu stressing that NWS is saying forecasts are subject to change
In meeting with FEMA administrator Brock Long, requested assets be pre-positioned for heavy rains
High water vehicles, boats and barricades have been staged if we need them
105 of 120 pumps operational, 2 of 5 turbines operational. We remain in a state of diminished capacity until all are restored

Landrieu: We have an evacuation plan for a Cat 3 hurricane, the question is whether there's a different trigger. The answer is not yet
NWS can't tell how large rain bands are going to be or how serious the rain will be
We don't want to make the call (on evacuation) until we have clarity (on what the situation will be)
Landrieu, addressing reports of Lakeview as first area to be evacuated: One of many scenarios that were being considered
Landrieu: We're in a more vulnerable space than we should be in
Landrieu: These rain bands are significant enough that even if S&WB were at full capacity we could see flooding
This post was edited on 8/24/17 at 11:02 am
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40226 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 11:02 am to
Slack, do y'all trust that GFS?? If yes, our rice farmers gotta do what they can quickly here. My husband and son are helping another farmer at the moment get their remaining crop in. It's been us trying to beat the clock before -- a combine coming down the road to help us was a Godsend.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 11:02 am to
quote:

New Orleans Homeland Security Director Aaron Miller:

Current forecast of between 5 and 8 inches of rain, possibly more.
Landrieu has requested FEMA preposition resources in area ahead of Harvey.
We remain at diminished pump capacity. If system as strong as predicted, we would see some localized flooding even at full capacity
Make sure those with special needs sign up for special needs registry through 3-1-1
Please remove grass, leaves and other visible debris from catch basin openings before and after rainstorm
Crews working 24/7 to bring pumps back online, generators installed and available to be turned on
Variety of assets moved into region and city, emergency supplies and contingency equip, first responder supplies.

Landrieu: 5 to 10 inches of rain predicted during Harvey, potential for double in localized areas
Landrieu stressing that NWS is saying forecasts are subject to change
In meeting with FEMA administrator Brock Long, requested assets be pre-positioned for heavy rains
High water vehicles, boats and barricades have been staged if we need them
105 of 120 pumps operational, 2 of 5 turbines operational. We remain in a state of diminished capacity until all are restored

Landrieu: We have an evacuation plan for a Cat 3 hurricane, the question is whether there's a different trigger. The answer is not yet
NWS can't tell how large rain bands are going to be or how serious the rain will be
We don't want to make the call (on evacuation) until we have clarity (on what the situation will be)
Landrieu, addressing reports of Lakeview as first area to be evacuated: One of many scenarios that were being considered
Landrieu: We're in a more vulnerable space than we should be in
Landrieu: These rain bands are significant enough that even if S&WB were at full capacity we could see flooding





I dont understand how they can even predict that amount of rain at this point...where are they getting this info?
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