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re: Hard Rock Hotel Collapse Followup
Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:46 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:46 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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The design could not bear the full load of the hotel structure. The number and type of structural supports holding up concrete slabs on the hotel's upper floors prior to the collapse were inadequate. Pile load tests results submitted to the city were for a different project in a different location and not for the Hard Rock project. In order to meet the schedule, concrete was not allowed to cure for an appropriate amount of time. Unskilled workers were used on the project in order to save money.
throw everything against the wall and see what sticks
1) concrete curing had zero t on the struct portion that collapsed. concrete in the steel portion (the portion that failed) was not structural.
2) Pile load test were between the foundation and the base floor structure. this section (parking garage section) did not fail.
3) number and type of supports inadequate - Will be determined by design review. highly doubt this was the cause as the Structural engineer would have to completely missed the design.
4) Unskilled labor - would need to determine that the installation was not correct. investigators will look into the welding and bolting of the structure.
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Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:48 am to Pedro
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that this is going to just be an empty lot/eye sore for the next 10+ years
complete lie. this thing will be demolished by Mardi gras
Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:54 am to Kentucker
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in a third world country, not the US
NOlA isnt like the third world?
Posted on 10/31/19 at 10:56 am to WhiskeyThrottle
The last thing they did was put a big pool on the roof before the collapse. Some think this had something to do with it.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:05 am to ELVIS U
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The last thing they did was put a big pool on the roof before the collapse. Some think this had something to do with it.
Nope.
Pool is like 5 floors below what collapsed. Its all the way on the right of the picture.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:07 am to ELVIS U
What sort of “big pool”? Like a pre fab one?
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:11 am to ChadJones4Heisman
Leaving the names out for obvious reasons... but the sister of one of those men killed was at mass Sunday. Poor lady looked understandably rough and still has ZERO answers from anyone about anything. They are doing such a great job down there.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:12 am to LNCHBOX
No. That’s based on the supports that were bowed to the point of breaking and that nothing makes sense about a crane falling into a building and it creating a catastrophic implosion like it did.
I watched a crane sling a wrecking ball for hours at a building to get a couple of walls to fall.
I watched a crane sling a wrecking ball for hours at a building to get a couple of walls to fall.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:27 am to Red5LSU
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I'm a structural engineer and there is one thing my previous boss told me early on in my career, "We check, double check, and triple check our calculations and do the same thing with the construction drawings, but we have no control on how this thing is going to be built and who is doing it."
That’s where I think this thing gets sticky. Engineers will point to the contractors and contractors will point at the engineers.
Seems like that’s where they’re going with the point about the load sheet being submitted for another part of the project.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:31 am to dakarx
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still has ZERO answers from anyone about anything.
tell her too go to Twitter and Facebook where LaStupid Cantrell is tooting her own horn
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:34 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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Still not seeing much in terms of actual cause.
Gravity
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:34 am to NOLA Tiger
saengar seems to be opening. they are selling tickets for dec events. things are moving along dude
Posted on 10/31/19 at 11:45 am to Red5LSU
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I'm a structural engineer and there is one thing my previous boss told me early on in my career, "We check, double check, and triple check our calculations and do the same thing with the construction drawings, but we have no control on how this thing is going to be built and who is doing it."
The structurals that I work with took one look at the plans and immediately saw some bad design flaws. The biggest being that the column spans for the type of system being used were way too long, which would explain why the decks were sagging so badly in the days before the collapse. Sounds to me like this guy is ruined, as he should be if he's that negligent.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 12:14 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
We have been contacted by a Lawyer for one of the interested parties (can't/won't say which) and someone is going to jail. Don't know all of the information, and probably won't until this is all over, but there are some major design flaws.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 1:34 pm to Mr Perfect
Contingent to move to Mahalia Jackson.
Also, hearing that Saenger may have some foundation damage.
Also, hearing that Saenger may have some foundation damage.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 1:46 pm to junkfunky
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We have been contacted by a Lawyer for one of the interested parties (can't/won't say which) and someone is going to jail. Don't know all of the information, and probably won't until this is all over, but there are some major design flaws.
Wouldn't surprise me if the US Attorneys office has expanded their NOLA permit department payoff criminal investigation at this point and is offering those who are already indicted a deal to squeal on the folks involved in this disaster.
Posted on 10/31/19 at 2:06 pm to Mr Perfect
quote:okay. itll still be an empty lot so.... where was the lie again?
this thing will be demolished by Mardi gras
Posted on 10/31/19 at 3:21 pm to Red5LSU
I haven't heard much new info but the last I heard the contractors were scrambling to pin it on the engineers. I am curious who they had running the site because many of their best guys were in Puerto Rico and the virgin islands running the restoration jobs.
This post was edited on 10/31/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 10/31/19 at 4:05 pm to PassionateTiger1990
I so want to be on this jury
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