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re: Happy Reformation Day!

Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:41 am to
Posted by cdur86
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:41 am to
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Faith that is without works is not faith at all. Therefore works are a necessary condition of salvation


I agree with you.

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Therefore works are a necessary condition of salvation


Then why dismiss it so casually?



Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6393 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:43 am to
My logic and reason tell me this guy's a fraud

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things." - Martin Luther

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding." - Martin Luther

"Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore." - Martin Luther
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 8:50 am
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17666 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:45 am to
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You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. They aren't.


Haahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14772 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:47 am to
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dismissing "works" as a duty as a Christian.



Salvation and duty are two different things. If you believe that you are saved through works then you believe that you are in charge of your own salvation and not God.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17666 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:48 am to
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quote:salvation comes through faith alone, not works Yet somehow protestants are the busiest of bodies, working reallllll hard to make sure they tell everyone how bad catholics are so they can justify the existence of their particular flavor of christianity.


If they understood we spend literally zero time thinking about about them it might help them move on and focus on themselves.

Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6393 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:49 am to
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Oh look, a Papist edgelord with the false-dichotomy strawman.
All Prots have against the Catholic Church are straw-man arguments. We don't teach we can earn our way into heaven, we don't worship Mary or Saints, we don't think the Pope is infallible, we don't think tradition is above God's word...
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34807 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:50 am to
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Then why dismiss it so casually?


I don’t. And no one I know at our church does. No one in my Christian family, friends, pastoral, or academic circles does.

So-called Protestants have the same issue as RCs, writ large: nominal believers. Even Satan and his demons believe and even understand. They just don’t obey.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
71012 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:51 am to
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and saying God, Jesus, or Lord at least twice every sentence in every prayer to where it sounds like a stutter more than a prayer


It makes it more sincere baw.

Especially with a fleeting strategic pause after God and a slightly stronger closing of the eyes in comparison to the eyes closed baseline tension.
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 8:54 am
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:53 am to
Thank you to all the fathers of the Reformation!
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
39911 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:54 am to
Loup's not a catholic. He's just one of those stupid fricks who pretends to be smart but really doesn't know anything and about anything. He should be ignored
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 8:55 am
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3999 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:54 am to
They don't dismiss it as a duty they dismiss it as necessary for salvation.
Posted by MobileJosh
On the go
Member since May 2018
1211 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:56 am to
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We don't teach we can earn our way into heaven, we don't worship Mary or Saints, we don't think the Pope is infallible, we don't think tradition is above God's word...



As someone who has spent equal time in both Catholic and Baptist churches I can unequivocally say you are full of shite.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53644 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:57 am to
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To this day Romanists accept money to get people out of the Putgatory Rome created. To collect money.



You raise lots of points that people will be interested in. They can find out more about the Catholic perspective on Catholic Answers.

The Martin Luther story is complicated. One thing about him that sticks out to me is this: Luther proclaims that Reason is the Enemy of Faith. I've always been more attracted to Saint Thomas Aquinas's approach using Reason to draw closer to God's Truth.

Luther's exact quote:

quote:

Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has


Catholic Answers has lots more

LINK

HAPPY HALLOWEEN !!
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 9:01 am
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6393 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:59 am to
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Even Satan and his demons believe and even understand. They just don’t obey.
Absolutely. Coincidentally was reading James yesterday. The disconnect is Protestants change what we mean by "works"

James 2:14-26

What good is it, my brethren, if someone claims to have faith but does not have good works? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is naked and lacks his or her daily food. 16 If one of you says to such a person, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat well,” but does not take care of that person’s physical needs, what is the good of that? 17 In the same way, faith by itself is dead if it does not have works.

18 But perhaps someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and by works I will show you my faith. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well to assert that. But even the demons believe and tremble.

20 You fool! Do you want proof that faith without works is futile? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 Thus, you can see that his faith and his works were active together; his faith was brought to completion by works.

23 Thus, the words of Scripture were fulfilled that say, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You can see, then, that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

25 Likewise, Rahab the prostitute,[c] was she not also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them away by a different road? 26 For just as the body is dead without a spirit, so faith without works is also dead.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34807 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 8:59 am to
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Learning about the Protestant “Reformation” is one of the main things that lead me to being Confirmed into the Catholic Church.


What drew you in? Was it the banning of the Bible or the burning of the Saints?
Posted by 4x4tiger
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2006
5200 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:01 am to
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he led billions away from the true church and salvation




The Catholic religion added works to the Christian faith because they didn't believe Jesus dying on the cross was good enough
This post was edited on 10/31/25 at 9:04 am
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
6393 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:01 am to
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As someone who has spent equal time in both Catholic and Baptist churches I can unequivocally say you are full of shite.
I'm sorry you feel that way. You're absolutely wrong tho. Show me anywhere in Catholic doctrine or catechism that backs up your opinion. Veneration and worship are two totally different things. I'm sorry you've been so indoctrinated.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34807 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:04 am to
I was just about to post about the James 2:24 “debate” (clearly a non-debate).

Even Luther recanted and repented re: James.

Back with my 96th thesis.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
21855 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:06 am to
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As someone who has spent equal time in both Catholic and Baptist churches I can unequivocally say you are full of shite.


Gonna need you to show your work on this one. I have the same experiences as you and the only people I have ever heard say that Catholics worship Mary and the Saints or that Catholics can "earn" their way into heaven are, in fact, my wife's Baptist family members who also tell us to our faces that we are going to hell for being Catholic. That's not a two way street, by the way. I've never seen her Catholic family members say anything of the sort.

If all we are doing is trading anecdotes, there is mine.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
Nawf Tejas
Member since Jun 2015
9459 posts
Posted on 10/31/25 at 9:06 am to
Fun fact: Martin Luther would routinely flagellate himself because he thought the devil lived in his bowels.

It's thought he just had crohns disease.
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