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Greater Evil, Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia

Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:04 pm
Posted by GardenDistrictTiger
Fort Worth
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:04 pm
Should German National Socialism be regarded as the greater evil to world peace and prosperity compared to Soviet Russia?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:05 pm to
Soviets. Look how much of the world they’ve converted
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:06 pm to
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No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The West accepts an epochal, monstrous, unforgivable double standard. We rehearse the crimes of Nazism almost daily, we teach them to our children as ultimate historical and moral lessons, and we bear witness to every victim. We are, with so few exceptions, almost silent on the crimes of Communism. So the bodies lie among us, unnoticed, everywhere. We insisted upon "de-Nazification," and we excoriate those who tempered it in the name of new or emerging political realities. There never has been and never will be a similar "de-Communization," although the slaughter of innocents was exponentially greater, and although those who signed the orders and ran the camps remain. In the case of Nazism, we hunt down ninety-year-old men because "the bones cry out" for justice. In the case of Communism, we insisted on "no witch hunts"—let the dead bury the living. But the dead can bury no one.

Therefore the dead lie among us, ignored, and anyone with moral eyes sees them, by their absence from our moral consciousness, spilling naked out of the television and movie screens, frozen in pain in our classrooms, and sprawled, unburied, across our politics and our culture. They sit next to us at our conferences. There could not have been an "after Nazism" without the recognition, the accounting, the justice, and the remembrance. Until we deal with the Communist dead, there is no "after socialism."

Our artists rightly obsess on the lesser but still immeasurable Holocaust, which lasted several years, and when we watch Night and Fog, Shoah, Schindler's List, and almost countless other films, we weep, we lament, and we rededicate the humane parts of our souls. The greater Communist holocaust, which lasted decade after decade—the great charnel house of human history—educes no such art. Its one tender, modest film, One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, based on Solzhenitsyn's novel, is almost never replayed and cannot be found for purchase. The Communist holocaust should have brought forth a flowering of Western art, and witness, and sympathy. It should have called forth an overflowing ocean of tears. Instead, it has called forth a glacier of indifference. Kids who in the 1960s had portraits of Mao and Che on their college walls —the moral equivalent of having hung portraits of Hitler, Goebbels, or Horst Wessel in one's dorm—now teach our children about the moral superiority of their political generation. Every historical textbook lingers on the crimes of Nazism, seeks their root causes, and announces a lesson that should be learned. Everyone knows the number "six million." By contrast, it is always "the mistakes" of Communism or of Stalinism (repeated, by mistake, again, and again, and again). Ask college freshmen how many died under Stalin's regime, and they will answer, even now, "Thousands? Tens of thousands?"

The record is truly plain. Socialism, wherever it actually had the means to plan a society, to pursue efficaciously its vision of the abolition of private property, economic inequality, and the allocation of capital and goods by free markets, culminated in the crushing of individual, economic, religious, associational, and political liberty. Its collectivization of agriculture alone led to untold suffering, scarcity, and contempt for property as the fruit of labor. It was, at its best, the ability, through horror and servitude, to build Gary, Indiana once, without the good stuff, and without the ability even to maintain it.

To be moral beings, we must acknowledge these awful things appropriately and bear witness to the responsibilities of these most murderous times. Until socialism—like Nazism or fascism confronted by the death camps and the slaughter of innocents—is confronted with its lived reality, the greatest atrocities of all recorded human life, we will not live "after socialism."


-UPENN professor Alan Charles kors

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This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124251 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:06 pm to
Well, Nazis are for all intents and purposes dead and gone.


Commies are still around killing millions and destroying lives.

What general was it that said we fought the wrong enemy?
Posted by Travis Scott
McDonald’s
Member since Jan 2021
689 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:07 pm to
We are watching the results of communism not being defeated in WWII play out right now
Posted by OWLFAN86
The OT has made me richer
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:08 pm to
nazi were your neighbors that mowed the lawn too early, parked cars in front of your house, poisoned a stray cat


stalin beat his wife and kids but kept his yard mowed and didn't make a peep
Posted by lazy
Member since Jun 2020
1594 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:08 pm to
Nazis invaded and occupied most western democracies. Soviets were a threat but never invaded a western democracy.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12687 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:08 pm to
If we’re going by raw numbers then it’s Mao Tse-Tung and his rule that takes the win.

Dude was responsible for nearly 50 million deaths during his rule.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15761 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:10 pm to
Whatever list you are starting and Nazi’s are an option, they are #1 with a bullet.
Posted by GardenDistrictTiger
Fort Worth
Member since Sep 2020
2480 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:11 pm to
I probably should have begged the question in regards to communism as a whole without limiting the conversation to Soviet Union. The answer is too easy to answer that way however. Communism is the greatest evil known to the world in modern history.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
vortex to the whirlpool of despair
Member since Jun 2020
41612 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:11 pm to
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Soviets were a threat but never invaded a western democracy.


They didn't need to when they were handed countries after WWII.

Patton was right.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:11 pm to
at the end they ran out of bullets and just started clubbing folks
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260576 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:12 pm to
Chinese communists. Communism doesn't have a good track record.
Posted by GardenDistrictTiger
Fort Worth
Member since Sep 2020
2480 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:13 pm to
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Nazis invaded and occupied most western democracies. Soviets were a threat but never invaded a western democracy


Not true. They invaded Poland and occupied their portion according to their non aggression pact with Hitler.
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:14 pm to
Soviets by far. The nazis sucked, but they were 100% right to try to gas every socialist out there.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65105 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:14 pm to
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Soviets were a threat but never invaded a western democracy.


Nah. They just invaded eastern Europe's only democracy (Finland) and took large chunks of Poland and Romania as well as all of Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. And all of that was BEFORE the Germans invaded in June 1941. After the war, they took all of eastern Europe and claimed it as their own.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:14 pm to
Communism may have killed more people, but I don’t think there is anything more evil than systematically committing genocide against an ethnic group in an attempt to wipe them off the planet.

Nazis were forcibly removing men, women, and children from their homes by the millions and sending them directly to a facility to be murdered and their bodies burned to ashes. The ovens running day after day, 24/7 with the bodies of murdered kids, women, and men.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:17 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
The OT has made me richer
Member since Jun 2004
175901 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:14 pm to
the real answer is Trump and the insurectionists
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:15 pm to
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Nazis invaded and occupied most western democracies. Soviets were a threat but never invaded a western democracy.




Look where we are now. The future for the world is being fought on the Dark Continent. Russia has infiltrated it and caused irreparable damage, which has led to the expanse of wahhabist islam.
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:16 pm to
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Soviets were a threat but never invaded a western democracy.

They did unconventionally. Our universities, media, and government were seeded with their loyalists decades ago. Since then, their marxist ideas metastasized into every segment of our societies. We're fricked now way worse than the nazis would have ever done.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:18 pm
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