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re: Greater Evil, Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:54 am to TigerPatriot1
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:54 am to TigerPatriot1
Patton pushed for us to take out the soviets to end all wars because he knew how they they were.
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Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:56 am to GardenDistrictTiger
quote:Disagree, the Soviets won via attrition. Finland's superior leadership, officers, equipment wasn't enough to defend endless waves of Soviet troops, no matter how poorly equipped and trained, especially considering Finland's logistical constraints--not to mention continental European ally constraints. Japan is irrelevant considering the Soviets claimed territory when Japan was on its last leg, just one of the factors to use the atomic bombs to end the war sooner. Germany on the other hand, could not fight a two front war with depleted resources and US back capital markets supplying both fronts.
The initial losses Russia suffered were do to the purge of its officer corps. Once they got things together there was no way Finland or Germany or Japan could hold up to the Soviet scythe.
In the end I believe Finland gave up some territory to the Soviets and were left alone.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 12:56 am to tBacon
speaking of we had a similar general that wanted to nuke the koreans / chinese
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:00 am to tBacon
It will be different the next time around but in the korean war the chinese had 3 soldiers per rifle. They'd charge and die and the the next one would pick up the rifle. And so on..now they just pick up nintendos
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:01 am to GardenDistrictTiger
Biden/Leftists America.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:04 am to VooDude
quote:
Disagree, the Soviets won via attrition. Finland's superior leadership, officers, equipment wasn't enough to defend endless waves of Soviet troops, no matter how poorly equipped and trained, especially considering Finland's logistical constraints--not to mention continental European ally constraints. Japan is irrelevant considering the Soviets claimed territory when Japan was on its last leg, just one of the factors to use the atomic bombs to end the war sooner. Germany on the other hand, could not fight a two front war with depleted resources and US back capital markets supplying both fronts
Well we don't disagree about the attrition aspect. You're right about that. Russia had thousands of tanks and I believe Finland had less than 50.
What I disagree with you about is Japan. Hitler relied on the Japanese threat on the eastern flank of Russia to keep men and material occupied there. But Zukhov mauled the Japanese terribly in the border skirmishes of 1939. This and a non aggression pact with Japan meant that Russia could fight a single front war. The rest as they say is history.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:09 am to GardenDistrictTiger
Luckily all these wars were faught so that Biden could implement transgender athletics amiright??
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:10 am to GardenDistrictTiger
Joe, Hide Yo Children, Biden
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:15 am to Havoc
I agree that Patton was right about the Soviets being far more of a threat than Germany long term. Germany offered peace hundreds of times, but that would have meant a huge change in geopolitical dynamics for Europe...which at the time is pretty unsettling compared to precedent...especially for Britain, who controlled 25% of the world's land mass at the time.
I just wish we went along with Churchill's wish to start
WW3 immediately after WW2 to wipe out the Soviets considering that would have been impossible a decade later [atomic weapons parity]. But of course, those in office worry more about being elected in the present term over long term best interest for the country.
I just wish we went along with Churchill's wish to start
WW3 immediately after WW2 to wipe out the Soviets considering that would have been impossible a decade later [atomic weapons parity]. But of course, those in office worry more about being elected in the present term over long term best interest for the country.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:20 am to VooDude
A lot of people have forgotten about the Korean war
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:24 am to tBacon
HST relieved General McArthur of his duties when 1 he became as or more popular as him and 2 he asked to nuke everyone
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:26 am to VooDude
but it was a recognizable threat?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:31 am to tBacon
quote:There wouldn't have been a Korean war if the Soviets were dealt the hand they deserved. Hell, 99.9% of conflicts and negative international relations post WW2 are because we didn't take care of the problem when we had the atomic advantage...if necessary. I mean Russian resources were so drained at the time, it may have not come to that, especially considering the leverage having "that" kind of an advantage brings to the bargaining table.
A lot of people have forgotten about the Korean war
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:33 am to VooDude
We have had 'that' advantage for a long time. What toll do you think it take on a nation to lose 25+ million men?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:35 am to tBacon
quote:My point is that you should take "that" advantage. An advantage is when a counter party does not have a similar capability.
We have had 'that' advantage for a long time. What toll do you think it take on a nation to lose 25+ million men?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:36 am to VooDude
But yes I agree, we should have struck and ended it all.
No cold war, Vietnam, the koreas, etc
No cold war, Vietnam, the koreas, etc
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:38 am to tBacon
quote:
But yes I agree, we should have struck and ended it all.
No cold war, Vietnam, the koreas, etc
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:38 am to tBacon
Where would everyone be today?
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:51 am to VooDude
quote:
99.9% of conflicts and negative international relations post WW2 are because we didn't take care of the problem when we had the atomic advantage..
I agree with you here. Post WW2 British Labour Party gave Russia Rolls Royce Nene engine technology and we gave them the bomb via the Rosenbergs and others. These two advantages were at least a decade from fruition for the Russians. It was an opportunity lost.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 1:52 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:54 am to tBacon
quote:It's human nature to have an enemy/threat/competitor, so who knows. Assuming Germany and the USSR were "subdued," I'm guessing the world would be a much more boring place where China, NK, Pakistan and therefore India, potentially Iran would not have nuclear weapons, let alone all of the meaningless wars in between. If you eliminate the source at the head, it's all maintenance from there.
Where would everyone be today?
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