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re: Google + Ford enter partnership on self-driving cars.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:18 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:18 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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There is no way the American consumer will choose to get around slower in a driverless car over getting around faster in a regular car.
You really focused on this one single aspect, didn't you? What about the significant decrease in accidents and traffic? If they work the way they are theorized to work, it'll be WAY more efficient than cars driven by humans, 90% of which are legally retarded and shouldn't have a driver's license. And not to mention the shite you can get done if you don't have to drive yourself on your commute. You could nap, wack off, read a book, watch a movie, or wack off.
ETA: And the difference between going the speed limit (say, 55mph) and 70 isn't a huge difference in small trips. It's more noticeable on a road trip of great distances obviously, but given the choice of the trip taking a bit longer but I get to nap in the backseat, I'll go with that.
Also, I'm sure there could be a manual override feature, so if you MUST go over the speed limit then you can
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 12:23 pm
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:19 pm to LucasP
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Yeah but there's a difference between being occupied out of necessity and being occupied doing something you want.
Well some people like to work. I like the idea that I am spending my time to achieve some type of goal that will in the end benefit others.
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No offense, but I think that's a very gloomy outlook on humanity. Not everyone who does what they love will be Kierkegaard, but I think the average garbage man would be happier fishing with his kid or learning how to paint than picking up garbage.
I don't mean it in a condescending way. I just think that work, when done in humane conditions, helps give people meaning and purpose in life. I think the virtues of work ethic and the idea of being a breadwinner supporting your family is something that is deeply entrenched in the human ethos. Working 40 hours a week isn't slavery as some would argue.
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I disagree. I think when we're left to our own devices and not inhibited by scarcity or need to work to survive, we'll see what real humanity is.
This is part of what I'm worried about. Idle hands, etc. And not to be a Chicken Little, but in terms of economics, it's more likely to turn out badly if you ask me. Tyler Cowen is an economist that has views on this that are pretty austere.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:29 pm to RedMustang
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Driverless cars has the same chance of happening in 9 years as this does in 9 years-zero, zip, nada, etc.
The Obama administration released new Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards requiring automakers to raise the average fuel efficiency of new cars and trucks to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.
I missed this earlier but agree with you on this. I started following this issue a little bit, and there is just no way this is a feasible goal by 2025. I also think the driverless car thing, while inevitable, is causing people to be way too optimistic. Widespread adoption that would wipe out most transportation-related jobs is simply not going to happen in 5-10 years.
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:31 pm to LSU1NSEC
What about the pirates? Im sure these trucks will be commandeered.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:32 pm to Lou Pai
These cars must have a manual control option, correct?
For example, let's say you're "riding" along i-20 in your self-driving car and all of a sudden the computer system crashes or is hacked. The car must have a manual option to let the "rider" quickly turn into a "driver" and take control of the car, correct?
I posted earlier inquiring how this will affect insurance rates and different liability issues. Will this have an effect on drivers licensing requirements and age? What about infrastructure? Much like HOV lanes, do you think manual drivers or self-driving cars should have their own, designated lanes?
It certainly is an interesting topic. However, I see this fully taking off more in 30+ years than 9.
For example, let's say you're "riding" along i-20 in your self-driving car and all of a sudden the computer system crashes or is hacked. The car must have a manual option to let the "rider" quickly turn into a "driver" and take control of the car, correct?
I posted earlier inquiring how this will affect insurance rates and different liability issues. Will this have an effect on drivers licensing requirements and age? What about infrastructure? Much like HOV lanes, do you think manual drivers or self-driving cars should have their own, designated lanes?
It certainly is an interesting topic. However, I see this fully taking off more in 30+ years than 9.
This post was edited on 12/30/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:34 pm to LSU1NSEC
So be it.
Tired of subsidizing technologies, processes and, dare I suggest- FUELS - that would be obsolete if not for the subsidy.
Tired of subsidizing technologies, processes and, dare I suggest- FUELS - that would be obsolete if not for the subsidy.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:35 pm to Overbrook
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FUELS - that would be obsolete if not for the subsidy
Solar?
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:43 pm to Overbrook
Fuels would be obsolete???
Oh do tell oh wise one
Oh do tell oh wise one
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:57 pm to Lou Pai
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I just think that work, when done in humane conditions, helps give people meaning and purpose in life. I think the virtues of work ethic and the idea of being a breadwinner supporting your family is something that is deeply entrenched in the human ethos.
I agree that it does, there's a certain value that a life with hard work has that one without lacks. I just think that when some work is done by machinery, humans will be freed to find better places to spend those efforts to achieve the same value in life. I may be wrong and hopelessly optimistic, but I hope I'm right.
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in terms of economics, it's more likely to turn out badly if you ask me.
I think you're probably right about this, it's going to get ugly before it gets better, a lot of people have a lot invested in the current systems. But they're simply not maintainable with a ninety percent unemployment rate. We can't have continual growth indefinitely and technological advancement. There's been people looking into post scarcity economies since the industrial revolution, so it's not a new idea that we're not prepared for but change will always be hard.
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Tyler Cowen is an economist that has views on this that are pretty austere.
Will check him out, we might disagree on everything but you're a pretty smart dude, and way to downvote that a-hole
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:58 pm to LucasP
Self driving cars and sex robots. Can't wait.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:59 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
It's gonna be awesome 
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:07 pm to LucasP
Get bent
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:09 pm to Lou Pai
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:52 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Hackers
A lot of cars on the road TODAY have on-board computers with the ability to steer, throttle, and brake the car.
How many have been hacked? 30k people die every year from regular car accidents. Will automation kill more than that?
Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:00 pm to ihometiger
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The insurance industry is 100% in favor of this as it will substantially decrease the number of automobile accidents (deaths & injuries) across the US.
That is totally false. The I nsurance industry is going to fight this tooth and nail like the legal industry (lawyers and police) because it will wipe out a very large portion of their business. Auto insurance will essentially go away and there will only be product liability suits.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:25 pm to Grandioso
Honestly, someone hacking the system is the least of my concerns. First, you have to BUILD the system that is theoretically being hacked. I refuse to let fear of something bad happening be the reason to stop the development of something with the possibility of becoming amazing.
At this very moment, someone could hack the energy grid and shut down an entire coast. The fear that someone could do this does not stop us from creating energy.
At this very moment, someone could hack the energy grid and shut down an entire coast. The fear that someone could do this does not stop us from creating energy.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:29 pm to LucasP
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I agree that it does, there's a certain value that a life with hard work has that one without lacks. I just think that when some work is done by machinery, humans will be freed to find better places to spend those efforts to achieve the same value in life. I may be wrong and hopelessly optimistic, but I hope I'm right.
It could begin challenging the 40 hour work week as standard for unskilled jobs. If we have an oversupply of unskilled workers for unskilled positions then a way to "create" more unskilled positions is to change the standard labor market. The challenge being that incomes would be slashed as hours and pay are directly correlated. How we allow people to work less while still having the salary to support themselves is a challenge.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:32 pm to Mizzoufan26
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9 years to completely implement these? No way, nope nope nope
Changes in Laws speed things up quickly; especially when you have Industry moguls pulling the lobby strings.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:41 pm to Kujo
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Changes in Laws speed things up quickly; especially when you have Industry moguls pulling the lobby strings.
Drones are an interesting case study. 2 years ago they were unknown for consumer use and then Amazon launched a video about considering them for delivery. Now, drones are becoming commonplace. The pace of this change happened much more rapid than I would have ever expected. Even new laws are being implemented already.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:15 pm to Mizzoufan26
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9 years to completely implement these? No way, nope nope nope
29 seems more reasonable
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