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re: Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Do you agree with the adage?

Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:01 am to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:01 am to
Here’s the thing. Where do you want to live? In the time that makes hard men or the time that makes weak men. You know it’s still possible to be hard in a weak time, it’s just that the average man won’t be
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:05 am to
It’s not about the whole entirety of mankind, it’s about individual cultures/countries/governments. Time was hard for the Greeks but good for the Persians and “resulted in harder men”.

Time was good for the Greeks but hard for the romans and resulted in “harder men” for the romans (in addition to superior military, organizational, and industrial light)

Yes it is an over simplification but it’s also an ethos. Don’t let yourself be soft
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:26 am to
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it’s about individual cultures/countries/governments.


Then let's talk about that.

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Time was hard for the Greeks but good for the Persians and “resulted in harder men


I have no idea of what you are referring to here. The Greeks and Persians, in the first Greco-Persian War, fought for 50 years. Be specific in what part made "hard men" for one side and not the other.

The simpler explanation is that the Persians overextended themselves with two excursions into Greece, which served no geopolitical purpose for them other than to attempt to punish Athens for their support of rebellions against the Achaemenids. There is no explanation of "hardness" or "softness" that makes sense, given that we know lots of historical detail about these events.

This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 7:27 am
Posted by CP3LSU25
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:29 am to
God created women to bum off their husbands income because they have a vagina is another adage.
Posted by ZenFNmaster
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 7:33 am to
Go listen to "The Celtic Holocaust." About Ceasars defeat and destruction of the tribes of Gaul.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:00 am to
I did.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:34 am to
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We already have a weak man running the country. Talks a big game but weak as hell


Explain. Give examples please.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:40 am to
The real question is: What type of men do internet message boards create?

*looks around*
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:15 pm to
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Talks a big game but weak as hell


Compared to who? Obama and that war hero sycophant John Kerry?

I wonder if his back is still out from carrying all those billions in cash to those Iranian goat rapists...
Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:36 pm to
A more apt example of the theory would have been when Persia fell quickly to the Macedonians.

You are right it is much more complex and the results of the conflict are attributable to a lot of factors, but one of those factors was the decadence within the Achaemenid military establishment and of Darius III himself.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:43 pm to
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Boomers and Obama ruined everything.


Yep, we've had a boomer president since Clinton. They've had the squishiest lives of any Americans in history. They sold their children's future's (jobs to China and massive increase of cost for a college education) to make even more money. They are the weak men who have created hard times.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:02 pm to
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Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. Do you agree with the adage?

It has some truth to it in some situations.

But it is really an oversimplification. In a lot of cultures, one really successful "hard" man can set his descendants up for many generations, even if they are "weak" men.

Take the Roman empire - western and then eastern. If someone was or became a member of the senatorial class and amassed a lot of wealth, his descendants likely had good times for many decades and even centuries even if they were very weak. In fact, that might have been an advantage if their weakness prevented them from doing things that would get them caught on the wrong side of a power struggle.
Posted by mahdragonz
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:06 pm to
Ok. Where is the evidence.

What specific time frame supports this?

Dates please.
Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:27 pm to
There are numerous books that generally have this theory. I think they all be debated on their own merits, the ones that come to mind easily:

Gibbon - The History of the Decline and Fall of the Western Empire

Barzun's - From Dawn to Decadence: 500 Years of Western Cultural Life, 1500 to the Present

Spengler's - The Decline of the West
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:54 pm to
Similar to the old adage that a family business dies with the third generation.

First generation works hard and creates business

Second generation has it easier, but still raised by a tough father so retains some of the hard working characteristics.

Third generation is soft and runs business in the ground.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:06 pm to
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What do you think lies ahead?


Stupid, entitled, lazy, etc. people will be left behind, smart/adaptable people will continue to flourish. Not that complicated.

People who sit around worrying probably won’t do well. People who have their shite together are chillin’.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 6:10 pm
Posted by Grateful Reb
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:08 pm to
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I fear we lived in the halcyon days and most of us didn’t even realize it


You sound like such a fricking try-hard
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