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re: GM's 6.2 & 5.3: Sudden Engine Failure

Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
3098 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:28 pm to
Suburban men and their panty waisted needs have ruined trucks as much as the EPA.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12128 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:04 pm to
Had my 2018 Yukon Denali's AFM/DOD system fully removed with a Brian Tooley Racing cam and kit. It is smooth as silk now, has tons of power, linear power delivery, and never has that hesitation going down to 4 cylinders. Writeup here:

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Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
34046 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:08 pm to
Posted by Northwest Louisiana
Northwest Louisiana
Member since May 2018
2247 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:18 pm to
I have a 2018 Silverado and 2024 Tahoe. 5.3 in both. I put the Range aftermarket part in both that deactivates the AFM/DFM. Please explain to me why you are still at risk for failure after installing the Range part. Thank you in advance.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12128 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

Please explain to me why you are still at risk for failure after installing the Range part. Thank you in advance.


You reduce the chances a good bit since the lifter isn't collapsing regularly. But you can still get clogs in the port that makes the lifter collapse and it won't return to its normal state. So yea, the Range Disabler helps a bunch but there is still a small risk there.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
34046 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:39 pm to
Thin oil sucks arse.
5W?

Really?
Posted by Hondo Blacksheep
Member since Jul 2022
2787 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:40 pm to
Holy crap, that must have been hair raising.

And Knapp is a small place, scary to think they see that much of it.

Two quick questions:

1- why doesn't everyone just disable that function? It's annoying at best and dangerous at worst.

2- if you disable, does that now solve the problem, or is this a software issue that persists no matter what you do, or is the fundamental problem some kind of electro-mechanical clusterfrick that simply can't be fixed?

Glad you weren't injured or worse!
Posted by dovehunter
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
1433 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:42 pm to
I'm in my 5th Suburban since 1995. An average of 200 K miles on each. Most dependable vehicles I've ever owned. I think I replaced one fuel pump on a 2003 Model, that's it. 1M miles easily. All had the big V8. Not sure they were all the 6.2 but all the big V8 offered at the time. 15-18 MPG from start to finish. Great brakes.

My '24 has the Duramax 3.0. Best performance and fuel economy of them all. Quiet and 24 MPG. 66,000 miles so far. Can't imagine a better vehicle.
Posted by Hondo Blacksheep
Member since Jul 2022
2787 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:50 pm to
@bapple - thanks, you answered my question while I was typing!
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69029 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:53 pm to
5w40 diesel oil is some good shite. Great for air cooled engines or turbocharged gasers

The problem is the shite oil pumps and lube strategy and 0w20 oils. They are all using variable displacement pumps now (as far as I know) and in the name of decreasing idle fuel burn are basically not pumping anything at idle to minimize pumping losses.

Its so frustrating that we've reached this point with transmissions and tires and everything else being so excellent and now the simplest thing in this equation, the damn engine, is the biggest problem.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
34046 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 9:55 pm to
Yep, that oil is excellent.

I thought 0W was thing, but couldn't remember for sure, ridiculous...
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69029 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:02 pm to
Thin oil is fine as long as you're pumping a shitload of it.

First # is "winter" number and 2nd is op temp, so 15w40 and 5w40 are kinda the same thing at operating temp. Wider temp span due to base stock and some different characteristics blah blah blah

Moral of the story is it's the fricking oil pumps and the general lube system design. The oils themselves are pretty fantastic these days. The oil just isn't where it needs to be in the engine in sufficient quantity and pressure to keep it all cool and slippery and not rubbing. If they can eeeek an extra 0.05mpg out of the vehicle on the EPA test cycle by sacrificing a few warranty claims, they will do it.
Posted by Skeet Mc
Member since Dec 2006
2928 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:04 pm to
Fortunately we made it to the shoulder of I-10. When I lost the engine the truck switched to neutral and no other system failed, still had power steering, radio, Bluetooth, windows, hazards, etc. From the shoulder, I placed it in park and tried to restart the truck, engine light was on and it would never restart or even switch to neutral. Contacted Onstar for assistance and Officer Spivey with Houston Vehicle Assistance was phenomenal. Since we were stuck in Park, the First tow truck couldn’t load us on the the bed and a larger truck had to tow us to Knapp. When we got to Knapp, they put a jump box on the battery and nothing changed, that’s when the mechanic told us that the engine seized up. I thought it was an issue with the auto start stop or some sensor issue and that’s when I learned, nope complete engine replacement. Knapp and GM sent us to Hertz for a rental.

Extremely lucky it happened where it did, 2 or so hours earlier and we would have broke down on the Atchafalaya Basin Bridge. The NTSB opened the investigation because there were 39 instances where the loss of engine caused an accident.
Posted by DarthGadget
Member since Jun 2021
129 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:36 pm to
The 2007 - 2018 5.3 had the AFM issue most are speaking of. 2019 up 5.3 has the new "Dynamic" version with a bunch of solenoid valves under the lifter valley cover. The I Do Cars guy just did his first teardown of the Dynamic system last week, it sent the connecting rod right through the block.

Just crazy how expensive and yet totally unreliable vehicles have gotten. Not just recalls, but with MAJOR issues. I mean TOYOTA Tundra engines and Tacoma transmissions and rear ends...just wow.
Posted by Bayou Bengal 730
Somewhere in MS
Member since Nov 2010
340 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:01 pm to
I have a 2023 GMC 6.2. Motor started making a terrible noise at 59,000 miles. I had it towed to dealership. One of the lifters got stuck, broke off and ruin the head.Truck had 59,000 miles on it. They had to put a new motor in the truck. Truck sit in shop for 4 months before they found another one.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
80039 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

just want something dependable that I can load up a family of 5 and take a vacation.


You can. It’s called a Sienna or Odyssey.
Posted by Hondo Blacksheep
Member since Jul 2022
2787 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 11:32 pm to
Man, that's not even funny. Imagine if your lady had been out driving alone and that did happen out on the bridge. This incident could have had a very different result. Wow.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 11:34 pm
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
13098 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:05 am to
Didn't read the whole thread, but you can get an aftermarket "device" to over-ride the Active fuel Management and you can be in V8 full-time.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
32641 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:16 am to
Doesn’t matter if they blow up weekly. Baw Status has to be enforced. I’ll take 2.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7910 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:38 am to
quote:

Didn't read the whole thread, but you can get an aftermarket "device" to over-ride the Active fuel Management and you can be in V8 full-time.


That device will generally buy you time but the lifters in the engine have a finite life and will fail eventually.

AFM can also be deactivated with tuning, but same above caveat applies.
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