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re: Germanwings Crash: One Pilot locked out of cockpit at time of crash
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:46 am to flyAU
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:46 am to flyAU
In two of the 4 known suicidal pilot crashes, the suicidal pilot waited on the other pilot to leave. On the other two I couldn't tell if there were two pilots or if it was even suicide.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:48 am to Ace Midnight
Three minutes? I thought I heard it was 8 or 10 minutes to descend 30,000 to 33,000'.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:48 am to White Roach
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Is 3,000'/minute a rapid descent?
I'm seeing that they reached cruise (38k) at 9:45 GMT and was as low as 6,175 at 9:47 GMT (~32k in less than 3 minutes) - with relatively level flight for another 6 minutes, reporting 6k at 9:53 when contact was lost.
So, very steep descent for 2 minutes, then shallow descent into terrain for 6.
Unless they've walked back on this timeline...
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Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:49 am to White Roach
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Is 3,000'/minute a rapid descent?
It's not a nosedive but it's abnormal. Usually 1,000 ft/min or less would be more typical. Not to mention that the plane shouldn't have been descending at all at that point in the flight.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:50 am to MountainTiger
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A mother of a schoolmate told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that he [Lubitz] had told her daughter he had taken a break from his pilot training because he was suffering from depression. "Apparently he had a burnout, he was in depression," the woman, whom the paper did not name.
She said her daughter had seen him again just before Christmas and that he had appeared normal. She added he was a "lovely boy". "He had a good family background," she told the paper.
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This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:56 am to lsu13lsu
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In two of the 4 known suicidal pilot crashes, the suicidal pilot waited on the other pilot to leave. On the other two I couldn't tell if there were two pilots or if it was even suicide.
You think I am arguing with you, which I am not. I agree with you.
On a side note, if a pilot is on a mission to crash his plane, he can do it (even with another pilot on the flight deck). I am just trying to make it clear that this isn't a widespread problem of pilots wanting to kill everyone and that it all comes down to that crashes have been prevented because there was another human in the cockpit. The real reason is this is extremely rare.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:56 am to Ace Midnight
Gotcha. I haven't been following this that closely. I thought I heard he locked out the pilot and flew in a straight line, while descending at 3,000 or 4,000' per minute. Maybe this sick bastard got down low enough to pick out a particularly rugged and remote area to crash into. (Who know what he was actually thinking...)
This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:58 am to lsu13lsu
frick this nonsense. I don't think of suicide as a cowards way out or anything. But what kind of a-hole feels comfortable taking down 100+ people with him.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:11 am to flyAU
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You think I am arguing with you, which I am not. I agree with you.
Sorry, if I seem argumentative. I thought that last point was just interesting and this entire story is interesting.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:13 am to flyAU
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The real reason is this is extremely rare.
Yep, there is really nothing we can do to guarantee everyone's safety in this world. Will people call a ban on airplanes because of these mass killings using them (9/11, etc)? I doubt it.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:17 am to JBeam
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I don't think of suicide as a cowards way out or anything.
It can be, or it might be the final solution for an unstable desperate person. If you take 150 other people out with you, I'd say it's done for attention and he's a coward. He's not around to face the thousands of grieving people (outside off his own family which is always affected)
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:20 am to JBeam
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But what kind of a-hole feels comfortable taking down 100+ people with him.
someone who is mentally messed up. IT is very possible that this person wasn't really concerned about other people. I would think that most people don't concern themselves with others when they plan to kill themselves.
again I'm no expert but just kinda reporting what I've heard and read.
Again this is all extreme speculation.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:23 am to lsu13lsu
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Yep, there is really nothing we can do to guarantee everyone's safety in this world. Will people call a ban on airplanes because of these mass killings using them (9/11, etc)? I doubt it.
there needs to be some type of response to this situation.
must always have two people in cockpits. Maybe add something like to disengage auto pilot both pilots much press the disengage button, IDK.
But more importantly there needs to be intense screening to make sure we try to prevent further occurrences like this. But it is impossible to stop 100% of chances, sometimes people go under the radar and no-one would expect them to be depressed then suddenly they do something drastic like this out of the blue.
You put in as many checks and safety barriers to prevent loss of life, but no system will ever be perfect.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:25 am to tigerpimpbot
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had told her daughter he had taken a break from his pilot training because he was suffering from depression.
this statement I would think all but rules out terrorist connections. Something really horrible must have happened in his life for him to consider this possibility.
We will find out much more very soon.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:28 am to catholictigerfan
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had told her daughter he had taken a break from his pilot training because he was suffering from depression.
this statement I would think all but rules out terrorist connections. Something really horrible must have happened in his life for him to consider this possibility.
And passed all of his "psychological exams" given by lufthansa.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:29 am to catholictigerfan
So instead of killing himself he kills everybody? Goes beyond depression. Dude was either insane or did it out of some kind of ideology.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:40 am to 777Tiger
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come on girl, what info do you think that would provide? want to hear us belch after meals, tell dirty jokes, or snore on a 13 hr. flight?
There's cameras mounted above the drillers console on all new modern drilling rigs and the data is transmitted straight to a server.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:41 am to tigerpimpbot
Everyone on the news keeps saying that Lufthansa did not do psych screenings.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:44 am to Winkface
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Lufthansa pilots go through an extensive battery of physical and psychological testing, Spohr said. Instructors spend time with trainees to get a sense of their psychological fitness, but Lufthansa’s protocol does not call for interviews with a potential pilot’s friends or families. Moreover, Spohr said Lufthansa routinely checks on pilots’ ability to fly, but that psychological exams are not implemented once training ends.
I guess only when training.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 11:45 am to baybeefeetz
I have no idea why he did it I'm just speculating. But usually psople don't think of others when they kill themselves I honestly have no idea how this plays out though. Just giving my very limited opinion.
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