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Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:22 am to Hulkklogan
quote:once again, you do not want to have a discussion
In most things, sure. When it comes to smoking? No.
Smoking is legal
Sorry you don't like it
Lots of people also hate that alcohol is legal, but I damn well know that your opinion on that subject is polar opposite to this issue.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:22 am to weagle99
quote:some of us actually own things
don’t get why some libertarians choose this as a hill to die on.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:23 am to weagle99
It is what it is. You asked for a link and I provided. I’m sure I could find more but I’m sure there would be reasons you wouldn’t except those as well.
Also, for the record if you havent deduced this yet, I don’t agree with smoking bans or any sweeping ban from the govt. but to act like second hand smoke is irrelevant and doesn’t kill is just naive.
Also, for the record if you havent deduced this yet, I don’t agree with smoking bans or any sweeping ban from the govt. but to act like second hand smoke is irrelevant and doesn’t kill is just naive.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:24 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Insults and strawman..
Nice argument.
Different issues and very different nuances to them.
I'm not arguing to have smoking made illegal totally. Just indoors.
Nice argument.
quote:
Lots of people also hate that alcohol is legal, but I damn well know that your opinion on that subject is polar opposite to this issue.
Different issues and very different nuances to them.
I'm not arguing to have smoking made illegal totally. Just indoors.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:27 am to mofungoo
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Bull fricking shite. Many studies show a connection.
Wrong
quote:
They are forced by economic necessity.
Wrong
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:30 am to Hulkklogan
quote:you are correct
different issues and very different nuances to them.
Alcohol deaths are a lot more immediate, but they are just as undiscerning
For the record, I think business owners have a responsibility on that front as well
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:31 am to LSUsmartass
Pussyfication of America
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:33 am to Rouge
Drunk driving is a tough issue to tackle. Forcing everyone to have a breathalyzer in their cars is a massive overreach of power and basically implies guilt until proven innocent.. and checkpoints are already abuse of power. But of course, as anyone would, I would love to cut down on drunk driving. I think self-driving cars will eventually largely take care of the problem for us.. but how to tackle the issue in the interim? Beats me.
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:35 am to Hulkklogan
quote:but I have every right to roads without wild drunken drivers. Why should I have to avoid the roads because they are out there?
Forcing everyone to have a breathalyzer in their cars is a massive overreach of power, and checkpoints are already abuse of power.
See how your argument works from another angle?
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:37 am to Rouge
liver disease, heart disease, obesity, abuse, personality and mood changes, driving while intoxicated..... the list of ‘nuances’ goes on and on. 
This post was edited on 5/27/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:37 am to Restomod
Your wife still comes to my house
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:38 am to Rouge
My argument applies differently because of the difference in situations. Yes, it means a difference in rights but the magnitude of the rights' change is very different. We're talking about a smoker taking a few steps outside to smoke vs forcing sober people to submit to checkpoints or breathalyzers.
Is that one and the same to you?
Is that one and the same to you?
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:39 am to Hulkklogan
quote:but banning smoking isn't?
have a breathalyzer in their cars is a massive overreach of power and basically implies guilt until proven innocent.. and checkpoints are already abuse of power
We just have to deal with drunk drivers endangering innocent people, but we can't make people have to deal with smoking in bars they voluntarily patronize!
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:47 am to OysterPoBoy
quote:
Can we still dip?
I'd hate to hear the story of the poor bastard who died of second hand spit.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:50 am to weagle99
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weagle99
You're a special kind of stupid.
quote:
Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. National Toxicology Program, the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer have all classified secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen (a cancer-causing agent) (1, 3, 5, 7).
Inhaling secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmoking adults (4, 5). Approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths occur each year among adult nonsmokers in the United States as a result of exposure to secondhand smoke (2). The U.S. Surgeon General estimates that living with a smoker increases a nonsmoker’s chances of developing lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent (4)
But hey, you probably are more educated on it than the NIH.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:54 am to LSUsmartass
Best thing that happened to New Orleans bars.
The 'freedom' argument is such bullshite. It's a fricking health risk. Same as making sure kitchens are safe for food.
The 'freedom' argument is such bullshite. It's a fricking health risk. Same as making sure kitchens are safe for food.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:57 am to LNCHBOX
quote:
LNCHBOX
Obsession continues
Good to know you are still out there.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 10:58 am to fightin tigers
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It's a fricking health risk. Same as making sure kitchens are safe for food.
Much of the food prepared in those kitchens is more of a health risk than secondhand smoke. What are we going to do about that??
Posted on 5/27/18 at 11:00 am to fightin tigers
As long as you don't burn me, IDGAF. Then again, I don't care about much. If I don't like the smell, I will just move. So much anger and animosity.
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