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re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:40 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:40 pm to OMLandshark
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Napoleon just posted a link that it's less than 2% of the conservation effort funds.
well it wasn't actually a link and it didn't have any sources...
but either way, that would 2% of the government conservation funds, which is probably because so few of the permits are actually issued
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Your point has been refuted.
not really
the private preserves are still preserving the animals, whether the intentions are for money purposes or not, preservation is still preservation
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 12:41 pm
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:40 pm to dnm3305
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Are you a vegan? If you aren't a vegan at all and you eat store bought meat, then you can shut the frick up.
This is different than hunting for food, it's hunting just to kill something. The original Native Americans would have been disgusted with it.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:41 pm to OMLandshark
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An elephant, you really don't see the difference between hunting a water buffalo and an animal that has religious rituals and probably the most potent sense of empathy in the animal kingdom? No one should hunt an elephant unless it is actively going out killing people. That's where I draw the line with hunting, and these small dicked pussies need stop slaughtering these majestic animals.
the issue is that the elephant(s) will be killed regardless
the only question is if it will be an un-noticed culling of the herd by park rangers or if they can use this opportunity to make money. either way the end result of the same
i mean i get what you're saying, but these animals are selected to be killed. the only question is who is doing the killing
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:42 pm to TennesseeFan25
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I still can't buy off on it. I love the rhino, a majestic and noble steed.
Couldn't they have auctioned off permits for rhino rides or something instead of killing the big guy?
that rhino was going to be killed one way or another
the only question is if it was going to be a government official or a westerner who paid to do it
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:46 pm to Winston Cup
Does he go to same tanning place as Trump?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:46 pm to OMLandshark
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You moral alignment is clearly Chaotic Evil, and you don't give a frick about anyone but yourself and the thrill.
OK guy. You don't know me and you don't know whether I would do this type of hunting or not. I would not, but what Im saying is that I understand it. The funny thing about all of you liberal counts is that you don't understand the other things can coexist. You just cant comprehend it. I am not a trophy hunter per say, but I would be lying if I would say that Im not out hunting for the biggest bull or buck I can find. I can seek the trophy and the nourishment from the animal at the same time. By putting the animal on the wall it pays homage to the animal and immortalizes the moment. What was the weather like? How many miles away from civilization was I when I located this animal. Did it smell like cow shite or were there daisy meadows all around. Was it raining and below 40 deg and did I have to hike his hide and meat out on my back?
Are you a hunter? Can you answer questions like that? Have you ever stalked anything before? Have you ever gutted an animal? Have you ever had to actually WORK at all for the meat that you eat, or do you let Tyson farms do your hunting?
Trophy hunting in Africa accomplishes the same thing. It satisifies that want for danger and the hunt, it ensures that the species lives on so that it can continue to be hunted, it feeds an entire fricking village of people for a month and no telling where the money actually goes, but as evidenced by a species still being alive at least some of it makes its way to a good cause. You have no fricking clue what youre talking about.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:51 pm to RedPants
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This is different than hunting for food, it's hunting just to kill something. The original Native Americans would have been disgusted with it.
Actually the original Native Americans made great trophies out of all their kills as a way to honor and respect the animal. You think that a Native American hunting party didn't get it's fricking rocks off from the adrenaline of riding horses chasing after bison and shooting them with arrows? You think they didn't feel that same rush? They did it for sustenance as well obviously but don't sit here and try to say that they didn't trophy the animals because they did.
The Native Americans were disgusted by fur hunting parties like you see in "The Revenant" that would leave an entire carcass rotting in the sun and take only the pelts. Do you honestly think this is what happens to rhinos that are hunting in Africa? Cut the tusk off and leave it there? If a village eats the entire thing, then what's the difference?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:53 pm to Watchmaker
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A better human being could have given the money to feed the town AND save the animals
Fair point, but unfortunately that's not how things work. Very few people are giving money to African villages and then turning around and giving money to conservationists.
It's not at all different from our system here in the US. I'm willing to bet you don't buy a duck stamp every year, unless you are a duck hunter. Same for hunting licenses if you don't intend to hunt, or fishing licenses if you don't intended to fish. The money from these licenses are what funds conservation.
The point you're trying to make, while credible, is not in line with how the conservation efforts are funded. Not enough non hunters put in for lottery tags or buy licenses, yet they want to be able to go shoot the animals with a camera for free.
I guarantee you that the jimmy johns guy know more about those African animals than you ever will. He has obtained his knowledge through hunting these animals. His feelings for those animals are deeper than anything you will experience because of your removed perspective.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:54 pm to Tigerbait337
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ALPHA
No. Beta as can be.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:56 pm to dnm3305
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They did it for sustenance as well obviously but don't sit here and try to say that they didn't trophy the animals because they did.
You're arguing against a point I wasn't trying to make. They only hunted for food and they used every piece of the animal. Whether or not they enjoyed the thrill of the hunt is irrelevant. These African trophy hunts are completely different. The village isn't going to eat jaguar.
ETA: LEOPARD
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:56 pm to RedPants
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The village isn't going to eat jaguar.
link?
why wouldn't they?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:58 pm to Salmon
i imagine jaguar would be terrible and dangerous
apex carnivores are disgusting, basically
apex carnivores are disgusting, basically
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
oh I'm sure we wouldn't want to eat it
but if someone was starving, I'm sure they would figure out a way
but if someone was starving, I'm sure they would figure out a way
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:59 pm to LordSaintly
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I actually don't get the appeal of big game hunting. Shouldn't you only kill what you eat?
You should read up on it. a lot of it is legal, conservation practices. and by selling the hunts to wealthy westerners, these poor African countries are able to gain the funds to help keep the remaining herds healthy.
I understand that there a lot of illegal poaching and that is very bad. I know of one situation where some of this money goes to hiring SO personnel to actually hunt these poachers.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:59 pm to RedPants
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These African trophy hunts are completely different. The village isn't going to eat jaguar.
That is because there are no Jaguars in Africa. All of the other animals are consumed by locals.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:00 pm to RedPants
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The village isn't going to eat jaguar.
Well not an African village, but South American for sure.
I have heard the big cats are actually very tasty.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:01 pm to Salmon
it's silly anyway. jaguars aren't in africa anyway and i don't think you can hunt them in south america
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:01 pm to pointdog33
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I have heard the big cats are actually very tasty.
what? no way
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ok I'll take the blame for that one, I meant leopard.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:03 pm to dnm3305
You said it better than I could have to describe Chaotic Evil in one sentence.
That's all Chaotic Evil is. Your posts are coming across as if you're a fricking psychopath.
"I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."
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No one NEEDS to do ANYTHING, they WANT to do some things.
That's all Chaotic Evil is. Your posts are coming across as if you're a fricking psychopath.
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By putting the animal on the wall it pays homage to the animal and immortalizes the moment. What was the weather like? How many miles away from civilization was I when I located this animal. Did it smell like cow shite or were there daisy meadows all around. Was it raining and below 40 deg and did I have to hike his hide and meat out on my back?
"I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti."
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