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re: For all the supporters of losing rights due to a cough

Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:34 pm to
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That isn’t how this works. Damn, this is frustrating having to repeat this over and over again.

This plan of decreasing the R(0), flattening the curve, etc., is not something that gets “quickly under control”.


You're just wrong on this.

Other countries are doing it successfully and managing outbreaks. If we reduce the transmission rate to less than R(1), then we can reopen parts of society with social distancing requirement to maintain around an R(1) transmission rate which won't overwhelm hospitals and give patients the best chance of survival.

You keep assuming that we go from lockdown to full-blown 100,000 people in Tiger Stadium and then have subsequent huge spikes.

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It is not a quick process.


To get back to "normal"?

No, it won't be quick.

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We really need to reach a middle ground


What I just described is the middle ground.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:36 pm to
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This plan of decreasing the R(0), flattening the curve, etc., is not something that gets “quickly under control”.



I think we have to define "under control" to really discuss.

In my view, "under control" means not seeing increase in rates of new cases. A stabilization in the growth rate.

We can't lock down until the whole thing is gone, but I would expect our growth rates to level off in the coming weeks.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:36 pm to
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Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30970 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:37 pm to
It’s the state governors making these decisions.

Thank God for Trump or else we’d all be under house arrest.

Thanks again Facebook mob.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41915 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:37 pm to
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Thank God for Trump or else we’d all be under house arrest.



lmao
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:38 pm to
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then we can reopen parts of society with social distancing


What keepsit from exploding again? Like the Spanish Flu?

It's r can it be done safely?

Flattening the curve isbased on strict adherence to social distancing and government intrusion. It lasts longer, it doesnt end more quickly.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21535 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:40 pm to
Our stay at home order is nothing. The French are not fricking around

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France, like many other countries around the world, has entered a stringent lockdown and ordered residents to stay indoors. Any non-essential outing can draw a fine of up to €200 ($210).

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Now we need a signed and dated permission form -- or "attestation" -- to leave the house once a day, and can't venture farther than one kilometer in any which direction, for no longer than an hour.


I moved to Paris during lockdown and couldn't explore farther than a kilometer.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:40 pm to
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It’s the state governors making these decisions.

Thank God for Trump or else we’d all be under house arrest.

Do you even watch Trump's press conference where he talks about body bags and how this upcoming will see huge surges of deaths? Are you also aware the Trump administration is looking to track people via cell phone data to contain the virus?
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:42 pm to
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Now we need a signed and dated permission form -- or "attestation" -- to leave the house once a day, and can't venture farther than one kilometer in any which direction, for no longer than an hour.


Lots of folks here would support this. I imagine 100% of supporters still have an income.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30970 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:43 pm to
The president didn’t setup the checkpoints. That’s the governors call.
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:44 pm to
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Why june? Why not august or September? Why not wait till we have a vaccine? Gotta save some lives, right? What's the metric for "getting back?" A cure? A vaccine? "Flatten the curve?" I've seen no metrics for reducing restrictions, only plans for increasing them.


Oh i have no idea i was just listening to what everyone said.
I have no clue to be honest
We still send 1/3 of my group into the office and rotate who’s on the desk etc
So I’m not gonna really complain what’s going on right now
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:44 pm to
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Are you also aware the Trump administration is looking to track people via cell phone data to contain the virus?


You probably love that.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:44 pm to
Level of scapegoating = lol. Maybe, just maybe, your god emperor isn't everything you thought he was? But, please, don't let critical thinking upset your pathetically tribal world view.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49579 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:45 pm to
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then we can reopen parts of society with social distancing


What keepsit from exploding again?


For the third time - significant social distancing requirements, rapid testing, and patient tracking.

I got to roll; I have to get some stuff done around the house today. Good talk, stay safe.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:47 pm to
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Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30970 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:47 pm to
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Level of scapegoating = lol. Maybe, just maybe, your god emperor isn't everything you thought he was? But, please, don't let critical thinking upset your pathetically tribal world view.


I’m not a poli board Trump zealot. He warned it was dangerous and each governor is taking whatever actions they feel necessary.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:47 pm to
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Now we need a signed and dated permission form -- or "attestation" -- to leave the house once a day, and can't venture farther than one kilometer in any which direction, for no longer than an hour.


Who the frick writes the permission slip?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:50 pm to
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In theory


Wonderful, shut down people's livelihood.

My opinion is we didn't have to shut mom and pop down, they can safely operate with "distancing" requirements.

I believe in the end this will be viewed as folly. Probably a quarter of the country is out of money.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:51 pm to
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Posted by cahoots
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 12:52 pm to
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