re: Florida is putting an end to all school vaccine mandates

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So I’ll ask again, if you are 97% not going to catch the measles after exposure due to vaccination, then what difference does it make if someone else isn’t vaccinated.

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I am baffled you can simply use logic to answer your own question.

3% is not zero.

The bigger issue is the more people with immunity stifles a disease's ability to spread and helps protect those with contraindications for taking a particular vaccine.

This all comes down to a philosophical debate regarding the government's role and people's individual obligation to public health.

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Immediately? No. Rebuilding trust takes time.

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No, it is never going to move these people. The earliest anti-vax movements are associated with the first legal mandates, and through a similar process of citizen engagement that we saw with the suffrage movement and several other movements, they were able to remove compulsory vaccinations in six or seven states. It’s the same nonsense, all over again.

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If Public Health Officials, et al are truly desiring to promote public health then they need to show it, mean it and stick with it as long as it takes for the tides to turn

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What’s more likely to happen is that we will ride this wave, some kids will die until the sentiment turns, and people like you won’t ever take any responsibility. Do you see what I did there? I am doing the same thing that anti-vaxxers do to people in healthcare. There are some posters here who insist I am responsible for mass death and destruction despite my varied opinions on COVID vaccination. It’s nonsensical but I guess we have to win each battle with rhetoric too.

I think you are either tremendously naive or are secretly an anti-vax person who is in the ‘I’m just asking questions’ phase.

I think Desantis is a good governor but I can be against giving a child a Covid shot, or shooting them up minutes after birth, and be for having them vaccinated before kindergarten. I can understand having the schedule adjusted some and be more spread out. I think they should have at least some vaccinations prior to daycare if family chooses to go that route. But by kindergarten, they need to be vaccinated, at least against the really bad diseases

I’m doing just fine, I don’t have to talk in circles with nonsensical bullshite to try to make myself feel better about being absolutely played like you were

I thought most of y'all voted for this.

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m doing just fine, I don’t have to talk in circles with nonsensical bullshite to try to make myself feel better about being absolutely played like you were

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Are you? I’m talking about things central to my profession. If I need advice on how to be a twink, I’ll be sure to ask you though.

lol. I’ve cucked you so hard that you will deny what is in front of you. Not surprising.

We truly are living the absolute dumbest timeline.

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As they should.

The world is healing

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kywildcatfanone

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Dumbass.

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I don't think that's necessarily it... people who DO have questions or concerns are treated like idiots... it creates a hostile relationship when the "authorities" just make you do it anyway.

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I don’t agree with Florida especially with the amount of illegals, refugees, and “students” here on visas from third world countries, but I can see how the trust has been lost as it’s all been seen to be completely political now.

Mandating vaccine on previously infected (actual infections not just positive tests) and later even on recently infected (later ok’d vaccinations 10 days post infection) caused some of the trust issues. A vaccine is better/safer than actual infections, but 3 antibody surges of a heavily inflammatory response in 30 to 40 days for some was messed up. Giving the same 2 injections with same dosage for those with and without a previous infection and pushing the same vaccine as a booster for previously vaccinated once the virus mutated too much hoping the surge of antibodies would help in the short term were also messed up.

Other issues with trust were created by:

Buying a lot and then pushing the bivalent vaccine onto previously vaccinated without taking into account the possible immunological imprinting effect of the original vaccine being included at equal amounts and actually limiting the neutralizing response to the newer omicron strains that were targeted.

Other countries actually accepting previous infections and proof of antibody production in lieu of a vaccine while we didn’t as mentioned earlier.

Allowing govt and any covid programs to act as if we were still under a pandemic for too long was a political choice and about keeping power. Public health went along for the ride. Many likely profited.

The refusal to admit open border policies and waving in illegals and refugees are a big part of reintroduced vires and new virus strains infecting kids including ones usually only seen south of the border.

Measles came back with illegal immigration surges weakening herd immunity starting with Obama. Measles got above 100 once between 2000 to 2008 but did 4 times under Obama. 2011 saw measles jump above the 200 range at 220. 2013 was at 187. 2014 saw it go above 600 at 667. 2015 was at 187. Covid social distance and shutdowns and initial border restrictions lowered it, but it began increasing again.

Polio like viral infections also started in 2014.

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The D68 enterovirus strain started causing more serious problems in 2014, when the U.S. saw, for the first time, a spike in pediatric AFM. That year, 120 kids were diagnosed.

There's no cure or specific treatment for the paralysis. Even with years of intensive physical therapy, many are left with life-altering disabilities.

Though a few dozen cases have been reported every year since then, larger waves of AFM have followed an every-other-year pattern, spiking again in 2016 (with 153 cases) and in 2018 (with 238 cases).

The pattern stopped in 2020 when the nation went into lockdown because of the Covid pandemic, drastically reducing viral spread. That year, just 32 cases were logged. The spread of D68 picked up again in 2022 as lockdowns were lifted.

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The Zika virus spreading to South America and then up to the US with illegals starting in 2015/2016.

If public health ignores calling out a significant issue affecting the health of its citizens due to politics than that’s how people are going to view it.