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re: FL Citizens Insurance is tired of being the primary provider

Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:54 am to
Posted by GrizzlyAlloy
Member since Aug 2020
2581 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 11:54 am to
Need to crack down on all these roofing scammers.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
13173 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:21 pm to
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insurance is nothing more then a scam
when you finally need the coverage you have been paying decades for they are nowhere to be found or they want to price gouge you to death
pretty soon the deductibles will be $20,000 for hurricanes which means you have to pay for your roof


To take a page out of the playbook of the right better for you to pay for your roof in its entirety than for me to pay for part of it. You decided to live in an area where Hurricanes happen. Most of us do not. I am not saying that, I understand risk and how it is mitigated, but lots of people are saying it....
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107906 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:23 pm to
If I wasn’t forced to I would not carry home insurance at this point. It has crossed the threshold of making sense anymore

That’s the shitty part. If you have a mortgage you don’t have the option to insure yourself. That kinda makes it almost a damn illegal racket that insurance companies have

I have paid almost 100k total in home insurance and used zero dollars. If I would have been allowed to self insure I would be IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE
This post was edited on 8/8/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
44845 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:27 pm to
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I'm just trying to point out there is another cost to increased home values.
Yep, fair enough.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11011 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:29 pm to
What is the value of your home and do you have enough liquidity that could be held in escrow to fully replace your home?
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
8109 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:32 pm to
Citizens needs to be the highest priced insurance as explained in the article, because it’s a last resort option if no private insurer will write for a location. According to the article, Citizens’ rates are competitive with and lower than the private insurers. Hence why it needs to increase its rates so dramatically.
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
4283 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:33 pm to
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Insurance companies aren’t noble citizens acting in the best interests of society. They are corporations whose sole existence is to maximize profits for the shareholders. They do this by not paying claims and buying favorable legislation from elected officials.




We should nationalize home insurance. Getting the government involved will bring rates down im sure of it.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53490 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:36 pm to
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) Florida has had severe losses in the past 5 years 4


Who cares about the past five years, they’re worried about the next five with warmer Gulf temperatures and more hurricanes which mean some will hit Florida
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119429 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:42 pm to
You’re a personal injury attorney. Do you work for profit?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
11354 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:43 pm to
Here is an idea.

Force insurance companies to write policies statewide.

Create a state sponsored self insurance or reinsurance fund to cover catastrophic losses on hurricane years

The fund is paid for by an assessment on all policies.

The fund kicks in when the amount of losses exceed certain percentage of the policies covered.

Your traditional companies are responsible for writing the polices and everyday incidents like fire and other typical loss claims. They are also responsible for inspecting and writing the checks for losses.

The state will act more like a reinsurance company than an insurance provider. Policies can be assessed costs based on wind zones and discounts based on hardiness.

Disagreements on hurricane claims, losses, and reimbursements for losses are now handled by arbitration instead of the courtroom unless a company acts in bad faith.
Posted by TigerKW
Member since Oct 2019
320 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 12:48 pm to
The problem with this is that it comes on the heels of them price fixing homeowners premiums - to which major carriers said screw you and pulled out - they are begging insurers to come back because citizens is oversaturated - what they are doing isn't forward thinking - it's covering up past mistakes - regardless an open market is needed - as it is everywhere
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11011 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:17 pm to
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Force insurance companies to write policies statewide.


Okay commie
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
19981 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:28 pm to
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So the OP is fake?

Citizens Insurance isn’t a private entity.

It’s the equivalent of Medicare or Medicaid for private homeowners insurance.It’s underwritten and run as a subsidiary of the state of FL.

Think of it as FL self insuring for residents who aren’t eligible for private insurance.

The reason they aren’t eligible for private insurance is that the national and international underwriting entities that are reinsuring the coverage you’d get from State Farm, Allstate etc are refusing to write policies in coastal areas of FL.

Allstate, etc sell you a policy but often use an underwriter to insure that policy and the margin between the price you pay and what they pay is basically their operating margin.

When those underwriters won’t write for an area they either have to actually operate as an insurance company with real risk and exposure or leave.

Here instead of saying there’s a 35% increased risk of a loss and increasing the premiums they charge they just said “no”.

So to keep the market afloat FL assumes the policy via Citizens and writes the owner a policy otherwise the property would be impossible to write a mortgage for.

An actual agent would be able to discuss the nuances but in a nutshell that’s what’s going on.

The question as to why the underwriters actually left is very contentious and possibly political.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11011 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:30 pm to
Dates back to the Crist days, he completely fricked the insurance industry in FL
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
45635 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:36 pm to
Pay cash, self insure.

Will be the only way to own property in the future.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
11354 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:38 pm to
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Force insurance companies to write policies statewide.

Okay commie


I am trying to say of you want to do business the state you have to write policies every where you cannot cherry pick and say I will write policies in Shreveport and Monroe but not in Lafayette or New Orleans.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
19981 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:42 pm to
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Dates back to the Crist days, he completely fricked the insurance industry in FL

I’m not a Charlie Crist fan, but this is an entire gulf coast plus FL and coastal Carolina issue.

Crist didn’t do this. Citizens is possibly the only thing preventing a complete collapse of the FL real estate market right now.

I want to know why the underwriters left. The governors of all the impacted states should be investigating the insurance cartel to determine what led into that decision and get it fixed before there is an actual housing market collapse.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
24985 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 1:56 pm to
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Create a state sponsored self insurance or reinsurance fund to cover catastrophic losses on hurricane years

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The state will act more like a reinsurance company

The state can't even act as a reinsurer for Citizens. If they can't do that for Citizens' book of business, what makes you think they can re-insure the books of every insurer in the state? The 2020 or 2021 hurricane seasons would have bankrupted Louisiana if the state was on the hook for being a reinsurer. Reinsurers operate by having a big, diversified portfolio that spans all across the world so that major disasters in one country or region are offset by premiums collected in areas that didn't have any catastrophes. A state acting as a reinsurer for their own insurance market wouldn't have that kind of diversified portfolio and would be at risk of financial ruin from one bad hurricane season or one Cat 4 hitting a major population area.

Citizens buys reinsurance on the same market as private insurers do and probably pays a lot more to do so because reinsurers know that Citizens is who ends up having to write the bottom of the barrel properties that weren't in the best shape to begin with.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11011 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:00 pm to
I’m an insurance agent in FL, this isn’t on the current governors. The carriers left because they went insolvent or were losing their arse with cat losses and reinsurance costs.

FL represents 76% of insurance litigation in the nation. In the last decade 15 billion was paid out in claims and only 8% went to claimants. The rest went to attorneys and public adjusters
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11011 posts
Posted on 8/8/24 at 2:04 pm to
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trying to say of you want to do business the state you have to write policies every where you cannot cherry pick and say I will write policies in Shreveport and Monroe but not in Lafayette or New Orleans.


And that’s a terrible idea. You’re asking the people in Monroe and Shreveport to subsidize rates for those in South Louisiana.
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