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re: First Pictures of Nord Stream exploded pipeline
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:24 am to BugAC
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:24 am to BugAC
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Why did the US destroy it's ability to be energy independent under Biden on day 1 of his administration?
Because Biden said that’s what he basically wanted to do before he even made it into office. But what does that have to do with the US sabotaging Nord stream?
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:26 am to SloaneRanger
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Dude, did you not see the statements by Biden and others threatening to take out the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine? Look at the video yourself. It’s all out there for anyone interested in informing themselves.
I haven’t seen it. I’m interested… which is why I’m asking the question. Do you have a link to “the video?”
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:35 am to fightin tigers
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Untested russian built infrastructure
Built by a swiss firm, right?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 8:59 am to real turf fan
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twisted metal
My money is on Sweet Tooth
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:02 am to real turf fan
If there was an exterior explosion…. Why is the metal peeled outward?
I’m still saying some dumbass ship captain drug an anchor across it.
I’m still saying some dumbass ship captain drug an anchor across it.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:43 am to Theduckhunter
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Why did the US do this?
To provoke a greater war, duh. They are trying to provoke Russia into expanding the battleground.
Biden's handlers need their wars/income plus the public is always more willing to give up freedom and liberty in exchange for "protection" or safety from the govt. NATO needs a purpose again because people are starting to realize it isn't useful.
There are many reasons why Biden did it and very few for any other explanation.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:07 am to notsince98
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There are many reasons why Biden did it and very few for any other explanation.
So there’s no possibility that Russia did it?
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But officials familiar with the latest intelligence say that Moscow would likely view such a step as worth the price if it helped raise the costs of supporting Ukraine for Europe. US and western intelligence officials believe Russian President Vladimir Putin is gambling that as electricity costs rise and winter approaches, European publics could turn against the Western strategy of isolating Russia economically. Sabotaging the pipelines could "show what Russia is capable of," one US official said. Russia has already taken steps to manipulate energy flows in ways that caused itself economic pain, but also hurt Europe. Russia slashed gas supplies to Europe via Nord Stream 1 before suspending flows altogether in August, blaming Western sanctions for causing technical difficulties. European politicians say that was a pretext to stop supplying gas.
I’m just trying to play the devils advocate here.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:29 am to TDFreak
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They would have had to pressure-test the entire thing to an industry standard acceptance criteria before putting it in service. It’s not even two years old. Methane is clean. Corrosion have would taken years.
I haven't been foloowing closely, do they know which one blew up first?
Thought initially it could have been Nord 2 (Nord 1 as collateral) that is new, correct? One of the delays in Nord 2 was that they couldn't get inspections due to sanctions.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:34 am to real turf fan
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under the ocean
How can you be under the ocean?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:36 am to real turf fan
one thing is for certain, going to be a rough winter for Europe. ohhh well...sucks to suck.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:40 am to Klark Kent
NordStream Rack has some pretty nice stuff
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:44 am to CleverUserName
quote:I am guessing that a heavy explosion that cuts near through the pipeline could ignite gasses further inside the pipeline depending on the pressure. Not an expert though, obviously.
If there was an exterior explosion…. Why is the metal peeled outward?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:48 am to Klark Kent
quote:Nord Stream has been in service for 10 years. Obviously there are many other energy means in Europe. They will be fine.
one thing is for certain, going to be a rough winter for Europe. ohhh well...sucks to suck.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:49 am to mmcgrath
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They will be fine.
ohh yeah, you an expert on international energy policy?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:51 am to In The Know
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NordStream Rack has some pretty nice stuff
Great prices on the brands you love.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:51 am to TDFreak
This is not at all what a corrosion related failure mechanism would look like. This looks more like a brittle fracture failure which isn’t dependent on age. That being said Im still convinced there is some frickery involved in this failure. Just wanted to point out that an actual failure is possible.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/18/22 at 10:56 am to SloaneRanger
quote:Probably 75% of the world's countries and hundreds of private companies have the ability to do this at 80 meters.
What other country had the ability and incentives to do it?
Incentive? Most of the incentive would seem to be with private companies. LNG companies can sign longer and more lucrative contracts. Competing pipelines have obvious advantages. Even Gazprom could possibly recover insurance from lost sales on a destroyed pipeline vs one that is simply turned off.
quote:There was also a ton of Russian naval activity including subs.
Oh, and there just so happened to be US naval activity in the area at the time it happened.
quote:Yes. The depth is accessible to nearly all commercial equipment. For all we know this could have been an attempt to tap the pipeline gone bad.
Ask yourself—if someone else did it, do you think they could do it without our detecting it? Seriously, how hard is this?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:05 am to SloaneRanger
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there just so happened to be US naval activity in the area at the time it happened.
When is the last time there wasn't "US Naval Activity" in the Baltic Sea?
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:09 am to LSUGBFTL
quote:Lateral buckling?
This looks more like a brittle fracture failure which isn’t dependent on age.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:16 am to notsince98
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NATO needs a purpose again
Thanks Vlad!!!!!
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