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re: Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:28 am to DeafJam73
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:28 am to DeafJam73
quote:Is your dad high? The 60s into the 70s was a fan fricking tastic time to be coming into the workforce/economy
told me as bad as this seems, it was nothing compared to the 60s
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:28 am to RDOtiger
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I read in the past - I forget the name - where there will be an eventual tipping of the scales in developed nations; whereby, the intelligent/productive people can no longer support or lead the ignorant/moronic people and the whole system comes crashing down. I think we’re at that point now...
Reaching that tipping point now?? Trump was elected almost 4 years ago
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:32 am to OleWar
Lol. I’ve seen many, with 5+ children get shoved in a nursing home and neglected because the kids don’t have time for that. Quite sad.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:37 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:40 am to YF12
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Who cares
You can calculate based on income levels
Stop being so obtuse to avoid the obvious
You are missing the point entirely.
Yes, poor people reproduce at higher rates than affluent people. That doesn’t change the fact that birth rates as a whole are declining.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:52 am to slackster
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This is a nice thing people tell themselves to remove the guilt, but let's face it - people who aren't having kids are rarely making some conscious effort because of the financial impact. They simply don't want to be "inconvenienced".
I think you’re right, but I also think it’s more complicated than that.
The shift to dual-income households, IMO, has a huge effect. Raising children with two working parents is a lot more difficult than raising children when one parent stays home. But losing an income stream is a huge financial hit. So I don’t know that you can boil it down to either “inconvenience” or “financial impact” - it’s really both.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:56 am to RLDSC FAN
Because men are become betas and can’t produce
It’s from all the soy In their diet
It’s from all the soy In their diet
Posted on 7/15/20 at 7:58 am to gthog61
China will reduce its population by 25%? And Nigeria will more than triple their population? Whoa
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 8:25 am to RLDSC FAN
If i were in my 20s again, there is no mutha fricking way i would have gotten married and damn sure wouldn’t be bringing kids into the world with what’s going on now days
Posted on 7/15/20 at 8:46 am to Dusted
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Isn’t this good? Natural fix to “overpopulation”
No it's actually a deflationary nightmare without some major technological advancement similar to the internet to grow us out of it.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 8:55 am to Fat and Happy
Where in human history do you see such a better time to bring children into the world? We are living in probably the top 1% of 1% in human prosperity. For 50,000 years we just roamed in tribes. We made some great advances the past 3000 years, and we have completely changed the game the last 300 years in terms of quality of life. Seems like a pretty freaking great time to bring kids into the world.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 8:57 am to YF12
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It is
The highest birthrates in the United States are from those making under 10,000 dollars a year
How you can possibly imagine that to mean we arent subsidizing them is remarkable to me.
They receive uniform federal and state welfare to pay for their lives
You're conflating the perpetual increase of the subsidies per child with subsidizing people per child. It's not the same.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:05 am to wutangfinancial
You have economies and social systems such as Europe's based on keeping population up so these extravagant benefits can be paid. Generous unemployment benefits and pensions require workers to pay taxes. One reason these governments have been all in on importing refugees to fill the population gap since most if not all European countries are below replacement birth rates.
Another poster mentioned the high Islamic birth rates. That will continue in Europe even if they cut off the flow of new immigrants into the continent. Europeans are the slowly boiling frogs with what will come in increasing Islamic influence and eventual control there.
Another poster mentioned the high Islamic birth rates. That will continue in Europe even if they cut off the flow of new immigrants into the continent. Europeans are the slowly boiling frogs with what will come in increasing Islamic influence and eventual control there.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:09 am to RLDSC FAN
Study afer study predicts a “stopping point” in the increase of the human population, almost always using the Japanese example of declining numbers. Yet we continue to add a billion people every 11-12 years. We’ll hit the 8 billion mark in 2024, 9 billion in 2036 and 10 billion before 2050 at that rate.
As long as people can have children, they will. Until a biological intervention, either natural or manmade, is imposed upon the human reproductive process, the population will coninue to increase.
It passed the tipping point of 5 billion decades ago. After that marker no amount of incentivization can motivate voluntary birth control.
As long as people can have children, they will. Until a biological intervention, either natural or manmade, is imposed upon the human reproductive process, the population will coninue to increase.
It passed the tipping point of 5 billion decades ago. After that marker no amount of incentivization can motivate voluntary birth control.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:14 am to RLDSC FAN
This has a lot to do with the advancements in birth control, the growing desire of women to wait to have children due to career goals, and the fact that marriage is on the decline around the globe. In 1978, the marriage rate for the 18-34 crowd in the United States was 60%. In 2020, that rate has fallen to 29%. In this age of instant gratification, people want sex but not the responsibilities that accompanied it for so many years prior.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:16 am to ShakeandBake
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Another poster mentioned the high Islamic birth rates. That will continue in Europe even if they cut off the flow of new immigrants into the continent. Europeans are the slowly boiling frogs with what will come in increasing Islamic influence and eventual control there.
But the Muslim populations of these countries have not appreciably raised the TFR of the countries as a whole, which means they follow the trend of the country at large. Muslim countries are going to begin dealing with their own demographic crisis within the next generation, which will make the demographic situation extremely complicated. Here's one example. LINK
Turkey once had a TFR of 7, and was able to negotiate worker agreements with Germany, Belgium and other European countries. This enabled the country to deal with rising population pressures somewhat, but as the countries demographic problems continue, the Turks will begin competing for that diaspora population, as well as offering themselves as a destination for excess population capacity in Africa.
The only place that has consistently high TFRs are mostly situated in Africa, and even those TFRs are lower than they were in the 50's and 60's.
The demographic crisis that is coming isn't going to effect all countries equally, but all countries are going to be affected.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:20 am to ShakeandBake
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You have economies and social systems such as Europe's based on keeping population up so these extravagant benefits can be paid
We have entitlements that don't grow and shrink with the population growth rate. The end game to this is going to be a thrill. We are essentially Europe in 2001. 20 years behind the game where the central bank pretends they can issue debt to create inflation but they are doing the opposite while our taxes moon, they add a VAT, and the cost of living is unaffordable so economic mobility craters.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:23 am to wutangfinancial
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We have entitlements that don't grow and shrink with the population growth rate. The end game to this is going to be a thrill. We are essentially Europe in 2001. 20 years behind the game where the central bank pretends they can issue debt to create inflation but they are doing the opposite while our taxes moon, they add a VAT, and the cost of living is unaffordable so economic mobility craters.
Exactly. This is going to crater our ponzi schemes also known as Social Security and Medicare.
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:31 am to schexyoung
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Where in human history do you see such a better time to bring children into the world? We are living in probably the top 1% of 1% in human prosperity. For 50,000 years we just roamed in tribes. We made some great advances the past 3000 years, and we have completely changed the game the last 300 years in terms of quality of life. Seems like a pretty freaking great time to bring kids into the world.
Yeah bro. I make my decisions today while considering what life was like 50,000 years ago. DGAF about how Neanderthals lived
This post was edited on 7/15/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/15/20 at 9:32 am to RLDSC FAN
I’ve met the spawn of Clevon and Upgrayyed and it ain’t pretty.
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