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Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:40 am to Old Sarge
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But still impaired
Perhaps, but to what degree? Very minimal. I can say with tremendous confidence that I've driven drowsy before and felt it was significantly more dangerous than on occasions when I've driven after a few drinks.
The point really is that people have to understand that there are nuances that have to be taken into account on this issue and that blanket statements or judgments are dubious. There is no sacrosanct number on BAC. This crime, like most all, rather than being dogmatically attributed to a measurable has to be attributed to variances in individual behaviors as well.
What I find most problematic is the stubborn attitude that persons driving at .08 or .12 are some how morally equivalent, and thus justifying punitively equivalent actions, to the driver who is absolutely shitfaced going 150 mph down the highway.
A simple solution in my opinion is implementing a scale for punitive severity. That or course would be subject to a great deal or arbitrary delineations as well but is a step in the right direction IMO.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:46 am to ChewyDante
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What I find most problematic is the stubborn attitude that persons driving at .08 or .12 are some how morally equivalent, and thus justifying punitively equivalent actions, to the driver who is absolutely shitfaced going 150 mph down the highway.
A simple solution in my opinion is implementing a scale for punitive severity. That or course would be subject to a great deal or arbitrary delineations as well but is a step in the right direction IMO.
So..
"He was only kinda drunk, so the people he killed are only kinda dead, so we outta go easy on him"?
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:47 am to ChewyDante
we ate mexican last night and the restaurant was PACKED with families.
i would say of the couples there, probably 10-15 tables contained margarita pitchers, with only 2 adults of age consuming them.
95% of the tables (or more) had some type of alcohol; either beers or margs/drinks.
one might think an undercover cop would only need to sit down & observe for 20 minutes to have a good idea of everyone who had drank over the legal limit.
i would say of the couples there, probably 10-15 tables contained margarita pitchers, with only 2 adults of age consuming them.
95% of the tables (or more) had some type of alcohol; either beers or margs/drinks.
one might think an undercover cop would only need to sit down & observe for 20 minutes to have a good idea of everyone who had drank over the legal limit.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:52 am to SSpaniel
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So..
"He was only kinda drunk, so the people he killed are only kinda dead, so we outta go easy on him"?
two sober people get into an accident,"shite happens"
one reaches 0.08, "it could have been avoided"
quantum mechanics
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:56 am to Kujo
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two sober people get into an accident,"shite happens"
one reaches 0.08, "it could have been avoided"
quantum mechanics
yep. add to this the fact most people tend to drink at night/weekends when they're probably more likely to have an accident due to it being night and they're more likely to be tired even if sober and you have pitchforks.
most egregoius DUI accidents are obvious and horrific events.
.09 BAC accidents are lumped in as a "DUI" but those don't typically involve the perp going backwards down the interstate at 65mph head-on colliding with a minivan full of nuns.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:01 pm to CAD703X
I don't see the big deal. Just don't drink and get behind the wheel.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:38 pm to Kujo
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.25 drunk drivers aren't going 100 mph and drift into oncoming traffic, they are probably even driving slower than the speed limit
.25 drunk drivers don't know what the frick is going on around them.
That's close to alcohol poisoning.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:51 pm to CAD703X
Oh yeah? Well feds is stupid
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