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re: FBI Whistleblowers Accuse Bureau Of Probing Parents As Terrorists
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:42 am to wadewilson
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:42 am to wadewilson
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And I'll argue that they abandoned conservatism in that regard.
I disagree. Conservatism has never been about small government. Its been more about a federalist system where power is located in the hands of the people, not DC and more power is concentrated in small govt, not large govt. However, the "small govt" meaning state and local.
Conservatives have always had an element that limited personal freedom, which is basically all that separates them from most libertarians.
The biggest differences are where power is accumulated.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I disagree. Conservatism has never been about small government. Its been more about a federalist system where power is located in the hands of the people, not DC and more power is concentrated in small govt, not large govt.
umm....
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Conservatism has never been about small government. Its been more about a federalist system where power is located in the hands of the people, not DC and more power is concentrated in small govt, not large govt.
So, you're not a constitution conservative.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:46 am to Sao
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So, you're not a constitution conservative.
There aren't any.
If so, they would be much closer to Libertarian than conservative. All conservatives believe in limits on personal freedom.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:48 am to frequent flyer
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Reps. Jim Jordan, of Ohio, and Mike Johnson, of Louisiana, say “brave whistleblowers” have come forward
Wing and nut.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:49 am to frequent flyer
Meanwhile nothing will be done to those who ordered this and the victims are the people of the country. frick the US government in its fricking bloated a-hole. I hate every politician ever.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I disagree. Conservatism has never been about small government. Its been more about a federalist system where power is located in the hands of the people, not DC and more power is concentrated in small govt, not large govt. However, the "small govt" meaning state and local.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Your opinion on the 10th amendment is all an objective 3rd party needs to label you big government or small government. If someone says they're conservative but supports any kind of federal overreach, you need to verify anything else they tell you.
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Conservatives have always had an element that limited personal freedom, which is basically all that separates them from most libertarians.
The biggest differences are where power is accumulated.
Individual freedom should be evaluated when one's freedom encroaches on another's. Libertarians aren't the only group that believes this.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There aren't any (constitution conservatives).
If so, they would be much closer to Libertarian than conservative. All conservatives believe in limits on personal freedom
How would a republican voting cop reconcile this if asked?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:52 am to wadewilson
Instead of arguing over the definition of "conservatives" why don't y'all focus on the government attacking it's own citizens that did nothing wrong other than express their displeasure with their schools teaching a racist agenda?
Everyone right or left should be pizzed off about the government being used this way.
Everyone right or left should be pizzed off about the government being used this way.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:53 am to wadewilson
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Individual freedom should be evaluated when one's freedom encroaches on another's.
So you support "negative rights" governing just like the marxists. Its the slippery slope that leads to things like the interstate commerce clause and "hate crime" legislation.
Its just the degree to which you might disagree. I'm not saying its wrong, just saying its happening.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:54 am to Taxing Authority
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why don't y'all focus on the government attacking it's own citizens that did nothing wrong other than express their displeasure with their schools teaching a racist agenda.
Because its not happening?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:55 am to Lakeboy7
quote:So we aren't to believe whitstleblowers all of a sudden?
Because its not happening?
EDIT: was too personal.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
No, I used the word "evaluated". If I smoke and my neighbor is offended by my second hand, should I be prohibited from smoking on my patio? frick no.
If I like pissing in my front yard and my neighbor is concerned about his child seeing my third leg, should I be encouraged to stop? Probably, yeah.
If I like pissing in my front yard and my neighbor is concerned about his child seeing my third leg, should I be encouraged to stop? Probably, yeah.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:00 pm to frequent flyer
let me see if i can wrap my head around this….
So, LBTQXYX+ sharing their beliefs while pushing gender identity and sexual orientation; along with CRT infiltrating the actual learning materials is fine.
BUT, concerned parents peacefully expressing their disdain for pointless mask and vaccine mandates….is criminal?
So, LBTQXYX+ sharing their beliefs while pushing gender identity and sexual orientation; along with CRT infiltrating the actual learning materials is fine.
BUT, concerned parents peacefully expressing their disdain for pointless mask and vaccine mandates….is criminal?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:02 pm to Lakeboy7
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Because its not happening?
you sweet naive summer child.
there’s evidence literally all over the fricking internet every week. week after week.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:03 pm to Sao
i got to give it to you. You are the OT Master of Deflection.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:04 pm to wadewilson
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If I smoke and my neighbor is offended by my second hand, should I be prohibited from smoking on my patio? frick no.
Hence the slippery slope
I don't think the government should ban smoking in restaurants. Let the people decide where they want to go.
When we keep collectively making decisions for people, humans become lazy and unintellectual.
Both dominant ideologies put individual freedom below their vision of safety and security.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:05 pm to Klark Kent
I was merely using his own quote
Maybe it's not deflection but pointing out hypocrisy. As always.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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quote:
Conservatives believe in individualism over collectivism, not individual liberty.
You lying shitbird.
Traditional conservatives, he's correct. Individual liberty to conservatives takes a place below safety and security.
Traditional conservatives favored a strong criminal justice system.
While that is true, the op doesn't fall under that. That's a weak/broken criminal justice system, the opposite of what was traditionally favored.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:07 pm to Lakeboy7
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Because its not happening?
Progs aren't even afraid to admit how woefully ignorant they are anymore.
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