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re: FBI officially Investigating California shooting as a act of terrorism
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:03 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:03 am to NYNolaguy1
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I believe state national guard units are considered militia, so technically all 50 states have active militias.
If that is what you believe I suggest you believe the average Joe should have the right to purchase tanks, bombs, and fighter jets. Reason? The National Guard are directly connected to the U.S. Army. I know. I trained some of them.
Since they are used by the U.S. Army with impunity which is under the control of the president I suggest we arm ourselves and organize.
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:04 am to terd ferguson
Well, Carol Costello has a job at CNN
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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I guess I don't get how it would affect those rightful citizens to obtain guns. Would it really make a big difference for law abiding folks? well take the "no fly list" meme proliferating through liberal channels today do you know how easy it is to be put on that list? do you know how hard it is to be taken off of that list? do you really believe that completely depriving a fundamental right should be that easy? without recourse? or due process?
In a debate with a friend last night he asked me if I thought more strict gun laws like a 6 month waiting period would hurt law abiding gun owners. I said, I don't know for sure that it would, but I don't know that it would help prevent this kind of thing anyway. And, let's see that they pass a 6 month waiting period law and after a few years, they determine that it's not working. Do they then rescind the law? Or do they push it out to a 1 year waiting period with more strict background checks and higher taxes on guns and ammo? And, what if THAT doens't work??
The slippery slope is real. How often do ineffective laws get walked back? How often do they get overlaid with more and more laws?
The founders of our country were extremely smart men living in the real world with a practical view of the hearts of men the the dynamic of tyranny. They wrote the Constitution expressly to restrict the powers of government. Ever since then, left wing liberals have been fighting to increase government power and restrict free men.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:05 am to fouldeliverer
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This is quite evident in the responses to my and others posts. It's just sad.
People pointing out that your interpretation of what the 2nd Amendment means, and how your definition of Militia is self serving, is sad?
Yeah, you might want to log off and find another forum that is more open to praising your misinterpretations so that you can become happy.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:06 am to terd ferguson
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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
-George Mason
Solid quote. George Mason delivered some brilliant speeches and writings. The debates between himself and those who disagreed are riveting.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:07 am to fouldeliverer
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The increased frequency of mass shootings shootings is alarming. The motivations of the individuals are varied. Some suffer from some type of mental illnes and their past indicates such. Others seem to be somewhat normal members of society and then a hysteric rage overtakes them. In number of them are motivated by religious or political ideology.
How they obtained their weapons and the type of weapons used has varied as well. There doesn't seem to be sufficient correlations that form a pattern.
I don't think more gun control is necessarily the answer. It's quite difficult to develop solutions when there doesn't seem to be a uniform problem to address. But the extreme divisiveness and demagoguery that occurs in the aftermath is disheartening. We have people on the left "prayer-shaming" and people in the right seemingly unwilling to participate in a rational attempt of compromise.
This is quite evident in the responses to my and others posts. It's just sad.
It's obvious not all mass shootings can be prevented. That is what is so scary about these situations.
We live in a free society.
Will limiting our collective freedoms change the end result for these people determined to commit evil acts?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:10 am to Festus
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People pointing out that your interpretation of what the 2nd Amendment means, and how your definition of Militia is self serving, is sad?
Jesus fricking Christ, how many times have I stated that it isn't my interpretation. I'm only stating that many legal scholars, judges, courts and historians have interpreted it that way. To deny the ambiguity and differing interpretations of the Second Amendment is absurd.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:10 am to GaryMyMan
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you fricking idiot
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Now, should gun control (which we have) be expanded? Absolutely.
Since current gun laws have only effected the people that would do no harm I have to conclude that YOU are the "fricking idiot".
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:10 am to TygerTyger
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if I thought more strict gun laws like a 6 month waiting period would hurt law abiding gun owners. I said, I don't know for sure that it would, but I don't know that it would help prevent this kind of thing anyway.
I highly doubt the shooters purchased their guns only a few weeks ago. They've been stockpiling for a while......
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:11 am to terd ferguson
10 USC 311
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(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:11 am to AndyCBR
Well, freedom of speech has pretty much been outlawed if you disagree with the liberal media. You'll get fired from your job if you have an opinion that's not PC.
2nd amendment will be next. Pres is working hard on that one.
Next, you'll hear how every single computer or online source is monitored for key words like "bomb making" (don't think thats not already happening in some form). The NSA will (and prob is) take a big dump any kind of privacy somebody can have.
All rights granted by the constitution will start to disappear.
All the while there's an easier fix.
String these Bastards up in public and skin them alive. That might dissuade some of these wannabe jihad motherfrickers.
Let's just not remove all citizens right for God's sake.
2nd amendment will be next. Pres is working hard on that one.
Next, you'll hear how every single computer or online source is monitored for key words like "bomb making" (don't think thats not already happening in some form). The NSA will (and prob is) take a big dump any kind of privacy somebody can have.
All rights granted by the constitution will start to disappear.
All the while there's an easier fix.
String these Bastards up in public and skin them alive. That might dissuade some of these wannabe jihad motherfrickers.
Let's just not remove all citizens right for God's sake.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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well take the "no fly list" meme proliferating through liberal channels today
do you know how easy it is to be put on that list?
do you know how hard it is to be taken off of that list?
do you really believe that completely depriving a fundamental right should be that easy? without recourse? or due process?
Why do they stop with the second amendment?
Why doesn't Obama want to take away their freedom of speech? We could keep them off the internet.
Or take away whichever right keeps us from housing soldiers in their home.
It's always the second amendment.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:13 am to PorkSammich
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The gun debate is really pointless for this incident.
The lunatics had bombs, if they didn't use guns they would have probably detonated bombs and likely killed many more.
Stabbing are occurring daily in Israel. These people will find a way to kill.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:15 am to Shexter
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I highly doubt the shooters purchased their guns only a few weeks ago. They've been stockpiling for a while......
Exactly.
It is also starting to look like background checks and psychological evaluations wouldn't have stopped this dude from getting those guns. Hell, I saw one report that said he went to Saudi Arabia this year. SHould THAT have caused some alarm bells? Are would any alarm sounded be seen as "racist" and anti-muslamic rhetoric?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:16 am to blueboxer1119
quote:This is dumb. The first amendment only guarantees that Congress shall make no law abridging your right to free speech. It doesn't entitle you to anything else. Free speech is not, in any way, "outlawed" by the media. Words have meanings and you're dragging our language through the mud.
Well, freedom of speech has pretty much been outlawed if you disagree with the liberal media. You'll get fired from your job if you have an opinion that's not PC.
It's weird--I'm sure you support at will employment, right? Then why shouldn't an employer have the right to fire you for something you say publicly?
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:17 am to Redbone
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If that is what you believe I suggest you believe the average Joe should have the right to purchase tanks, bombs, and fighter jets. Reason? The National Guard are directly connected to the U.S. Army. I know. I trained some of them.
I don't have a gun agenda if that's why you mean. I wish my locale was more gun friendly.
Like I said in my previous post, I was under the impression the state national guard was under the direction of the governor, which put them in state jurisdiction, which in turn lead to my belief they were a state militia.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:18 am to Clames
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The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;
This is what I was thinking of.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:18 am to fouldeliverer
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I'm only stating that many legal scholars, judges, courts and historians have interpreted it that way.
You gonna have to point us to who those liberals are for me to believe you. History says you are wrong.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:19 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:"National" Guard might have been a hint that it was a federal entity and not a state entity.
Like I said in my previous post, I was under the impression the state national guard was under the direction of the governor, which put them in state jurisdiction, which in turn lead to my belief they were a state militia.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:20 am to NYNolaguy1
All i know is some mother fricker better not make me mad today or I'll go home and get two homies and my spare pipe bombs just laying around for no reason at all.
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