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re: FBI officially Investigating California shooting as a act of terrorism
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:42 am to Festus
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:42 am to Festus
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So we should accept your interpretation, over the Supreme Court's? And you find this to be a reasonable argument?
I did not say that was my interpretation. I stated explicitly that it was the interpretation of the courts for many years. The individual right has only recently in 2010 been affirmed by the Supreme Court. And that was a 5-4 decision. To act as if the Second Amendment clearly states the individual right to bear arms is somewhat disingenuous. Again I am not stating that it is an invalid interpretation.
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:42 am to Ace Midnight
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workplace violence/gun control solution
And those same stupid arse people are all for bringing in more moslims while moslims are killing us. Phuque that! I'm keeping my guns just as one preventative measure to offset the president's moslim/communist leanings.
obama is exactly the reason I need to keep my guns.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:42 am to AU24
Can we update the OP on the story instead of just "both suspects dead"
Good stuff
Good stuff
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:43 am to slackster
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Why do these random outliers and random acts happen more often in the US than any other 1st world county?
Because these whacko terrorist organizations absolutely despise everything that America stands for, and thus target us to make the biggest statement that they can?
I mean, it's not quite as big a statement for them to go in and shoot up Greenland.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:43 am to fouldeliverer
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It appears when you are writing that a gun show loophole doesn't exist you are splitting semantic hairs.
Correct me if I am wrong but federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks. Most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals. There are private individuals selling guns at these shows, hence the term.
Is any of this incorrect?
There are limits on how many private sales you can make without getting an FFL. IE you are only allowed to build yourself an AR and you must keep it for a year before transferring it.
There are limits on how many private sales you can do when you are an FFL. IE you can't just build AR's and sell them without a class 3 license.
If I had to give any credence to your claim it is likely the vendor had a privately owned AK he sold you.
Can he have 100 "private" guns at his show legally and sell them without an FFL? No.
The private, non-business transfer of firearms is not regulated and never has been.
I don't really understand your point. Are you saying there is some matrix of laws and regulations that would make it impossible for a criminal to obtain a firearm by any means?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:43 am to Festus
I agree that it won't stop someone for killing if the really want to. I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't get the strong opposition. I guess I don't get how it would affect those rightful citizens to obtain guns. Would it really make a big difference for law abiding folks?
Tl/dr I don't think gun control is the answer, but I don't get the crazy strong opposition.
Tl/dr I don't think gun control is the answer, but I don't get the crazy strong opposition.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:43 am to fouldeliverer
So these two were building bombs in their home and aquiring all these weapons...and not one member of their family, not one friend, no one knew it?
bullshite.
bullshite.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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private sales are private and not as regulated
IN SOME STATES (LA being one)
But in places like CA (where this shite just happened) even private sales are required to be made through a licensed dealer.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:46 am to Ace Midnight
Forgive me for my ignorance, but if a background check is required for purchasing from a dealer, why don't they require it for private transactions?
Logically I would think there should either be background checks for any purchases, private or through a dealer, or no background checks at all.
Logically I would think there should either be background checks for any purchases, private or through a dealer, or no background checks at all.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:46 am to slackster
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Why do these random outliers and random acts happen more often in the US than any other 1st world county?
we have more freedoms than other countries and we have a much larger underclass of shitty culture than other countries
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I'm not trying for a "gotcha" moment or anything like that, I'm actually genuinely curious as to the answer, or more likely, your opinion of the answer.
Europe and Asia have much more dominant cultures of higher value. they don't have an underclass of trash taking up 20-40% of their population like we do. most of the new stats on "mass shootings" are what you'd consider inner-city violence with multiple victims (sad all the same, but not a sandy hook or aurora picture that the media wants to paint)
as for the actual "mass shootings" that you picture, those countries force medication and institutionalization at a much higher rate than we do. i'm not making a value judgment here, but it simply doesn't reflect our ideal of freedom and due process.
europe is a LOT less free than the US. obviously China is as well
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:46 am to terd ferguson
The gun debate is really pointless for this incident.
The lunatics had bombs, if they didn't use guns they would have probably detonated bombs and likely killed many more.
Stabbing are occurring daily in Israel. These people will find a way to kill.
The lunatics had bombs, if they didn't use guns they would have probably detonated bombs and likely killed many more.
Stabbing are occurring daily in Israel. These people will find a way to kill.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:46 am to fouldeliverer
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Or it means that state militias have the right. That is how courts interpreted it for over a hundred years.
Wrong. The "collective right" theories for interpreting the 2nd Amendment only came about in the beginning of the 20th century and only found minor support in a few lower Federal circuit courts.
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but you can not deny that historical fact.
Can when you lie about it.
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It is somewhat recently that the "individual" interpretation of the amendment has gained wide acceptance.
Really? Do you not know that our courts have cited the individual interpretation to cases going back to the 17th century? You must be one of those ignorants that thinks the DC v. Heller decision changed historical precedence of how the 2nd Amendment was interpreted. I bet you cite v. Miller when you make that mouth breathing argument too.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:47 am to Ace Midnight
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Louisiana has a State Guard - it is almost all composed of retired guardsmen who are required to retain membership for their technician jobs in the state military department.
They basically work as desk clerks and shite for emergency operations though. Not really a state militia by any means.
I'm talking about places like MS that have a state guard that is an actual defense force.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:47 am to terd ferguson
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The NG is a reserve component of the U.S. Armed Forces funded and equipped by the federal govt.
I agree. My question though is that I have always understood the state national guard to be at the direction of the governor. If that's true, I always understood that to mean they are under state jurisdiction. That's one of the reasons why they can make arrests during emergencies that active duty troops can't because of posse commitatus.
I could be completely wrong, I am not a vet, just a guy with lots of military in the family.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:47 am to slackster
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but if a background check is required for purchasing from a dealer, why don't they require it for private transactions?
They do in cali. How'd that work?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:47 am to bigberg2000
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I agree that it won't stop someone for killing if the really want to. I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't get the strong opposition. I guess I don't get how it would affect those rightful citizens to obtain guns. Would it really make a big difference for law abiding folks?
Tl/dr I don't think gun control is the answer, but I don't get the crazy strong opposition.
Because it is a slippery slope that many (myself included) believe would eventually lead to confiscation.
It damn sure happened in Australia and it can happen here too.
Our current President has already stated he "admires" the model for gun control in that country and others like it.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 8:49 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:48 am to bigberg2000
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I guess I don't get how it would affect those rightful citizens to obtain guns. Would it really make a big difference for law abiding folks?
well take the "no fly list" meme proliferating through liberal channels today
do you know how easy it is to be put on that list?
do you know how hard it is to be taken off of that list?
do you really believe that completely depriving a fundamental right should be that easy? without recourse? or due process?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:48 am to TigerNAtux
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So these two were building bombs in their home and aquiring all these weapons...and not one member of their family, not one friend, no one knew it? Bull shite.
BINGO! Hence the problem with these bastards. I read an interview with a guy that had been doing some construction work in the area that had suspicions because of all the ME men hanging around Hadji's house and garage (which means there are more of these idiots in the area).
He specifically said he didn't report his suspicions because he didn't want to be labeled as a racial profiler.
PC idiocy strikes again.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:50 am to anc
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Can someone summarize the overnight developments
Fox: Probable radical Islamic act of terror by a married couple.
Rest of media: workplace violence after employee triggered at Christmas party.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:51 am to bamarep
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BINGO! Hence the problem with these bastards. I read an interview with a guy that had been doing some construction work in the area that had suspicions because of all the ME men hanging around Hadji's house and garage (which means there are more of these idiots in the area). He specifically said he didn't report his suspicions because he didn't want to be labeled as a racial profiler. PC idiocy strikes again.
Exactly. Any new laws should be focused on preventing more of these killers from coming into our country.
Who vetted the new wife homey brought in to the US so recently that took part in this?
ETA: but no worries for refugees, they are getting background checks.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 8:52 am
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