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re: Fauci: Drug discovered (Remdesivir), tested at UAB, coronavirus patients relief
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:17 pm to The Boat
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:17 pm to The Boat
“Follow the money. As always. You can't make money off a generic drug.
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Follow the money. As always. You can't make money off a generic drug.
Bingo! Someone who gets it! We all want a treatment option that works & gets us everyday citizens back to normalcy with the confidence that if we do get sick it’s not a death sentence, far from it. I did mention this on a different thread yesterday. Obviously a proven and effective treatment platform needs to be established in order for a nationwide criteria to assist attending physicians. I do not believe it’s mere coincidence that NIAID conducted this study and who is the head of that agency? Dr. Anthony Fauci. I’ve been banging the Hydoxy-chloroquine + Zpack drum from the get go and the head of the FDA said the initial numbers from that study were very encouraging as well and they will have a full data report in the coming weeks. I come to this board for the wife pics, er, truly valuable medical opinions from those in the know, I sell to the medical field and wife(you wish/cougar) works for the largest healthcare system so we’ve got some insight as well. My point being is Remdesivir is not cheap and they’ve already boosted production over the past month, while Hydoxy-chloroquine is $.02-.04 a tab & Z-packs are standard....ALWAYS follow the money.
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:18 pm to Tiguar
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And Novartis, and Mylan, and Teva, and literally every other manufacturer who makes generic drugs. There is no central profiting group outside the collective.
I mean why the hell pay for a double blinded study or pay to influence teams and institutions when your stock price goes up 13% without having to do anything? I dont have actual numbers but I believe it is by far the most used drug for all of this.
(Let me be clear Im in no way trying to parrot the idiotic leftist theory that Trump had money invested in it just saying that they have a massive widespread new indication with no motivation to change the current status quo-anecdotal but not absolute data)
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:20 pm to Tiguar
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Because Fauci is lead of the NIH and this study is being funded by the NIH. Gilead also has marketing and influencing teams. There is no "hydroxychloroquine" marketing team.
But you just said that there's no money to be made in funding a hydroxychloroquine cure and no one to fund it. Yet the remdesivir study is being funded by the NIH...a governmental body. They would be funding research into any potential cure at this point.
Or are you suggesting that a) Fauci has shares of Gilead, b) that he is able to influence the outcomes and all data related to a multicenter trial of the compound, c) his sole interest in this whole thing is making money and not finding an actual cure, and d) he thinks that he can pull all of this off without ever being discovered...because if it was brought to light he'd go to jail for a long time.
That's the tin foil hat conspiracy you're going with? If so, Fauci is the ultimate influencer and shadow puppeteer
You guys, like I said, can be truly delusional. It's impossible to even have a rational discussion because you ignore actual facts, and even moreso anything approaching logic or reason.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:20 pm to Adam Banks
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I mean why the hell pay for a double blinded study or pay to influence teams and institutions when your stock price goes up 13% without having to do anything?
Yeah, why would you PAY to advertise/study something that 10 other people make and would benefit from your advertising, for free?
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:25 pm to Tiguar
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Yeah, why would you PAY to advertise something that 10 other people make and would benefit from your advertising, for free?
Novartis would probably be the biggest winner if Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) became the go-to drug for covid-19. They also got a large amount of medicine from Bayer for free - it would cost almost nothing for them to do double blind studies, with nothing but a very possible uptick in sales.
So if they do the study, there is nothing but good things for them.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:25 pm to Tiguar
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Yeah, why would you PAY to advertise something that 10 other people make and would benefit from your advertising, for free?
Motrin and Advil are both Ibuprofen but I certainly see plenty of ads for them.
Some profit for all is better than no profit for all. IE if they believed that it worked but no one is using it because no trial then they would get a trial. However since its being used anyways and everyone is profiting no need to rock the boat. If the remdesivir works I bet we see teva mylan etc fund a randomized placebo controlled.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:26 pm to Janky
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Link to studies?
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:27 pm to BaddestAndvari
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it would cost almost nothing for them to do double blind studies, with nothing but a very possible uptick in sales.
So if they do the study, there is nothing but good things for them
Unless its negative.
Currently its being widely used without a double blinded study.
Schrodingers cat. If they open the box and the cat is dead then they killed the cat.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:29 pm to Adam Banks
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Unless its negative.
Currently its being widely used without a double blinded study.
Schrodingers cat. If they open the box and the cat is dead then they killed the cat.
and the above picture shows that it is being "studied" and the "studies" are mostly negative... at some point a double blind study should be done on it, but I'm thinking as long as people are just using it - Novartis gets a win/win, with not having to pay for a study, and getting the money from people buying Plaquenil
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:30 pm to BaddestAndvari
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So if they do the study, there is nothing but good things for them.
Except that they perhaps know it's not a viable treatment.
Everyone rails against the pharma industry for being money grubbing assholes, so you mean to tell me that now, in this worldwide pandemic, there are companies that are...for no real reason...deciding not to explore a potential cure they have?
Again, logic and reason people, things make make a lot more sense when you use them.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:30 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Um, because this drug has actually been tested in controlled trials..as opposed to hydroxychloroquine
Here is a link to Yale's:
https://files-profile.medicine.yale.edu/documents/e91b4e5c-ae56-4bf1-8d5f-e674b6450847
Here is a link to Harvard's - Mass General:
https://www.massgeneral.org/assets/MGH/pdf/news/coronavirus/mass-general-COVID-19-treatment-guidance.pdf
These are their Inpatient Algorithms.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:32 pm to Adam Banks
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If the remdesivir works I bet we see teva mylan etc fund a randomized placebo controlled.
It would need to be for a different compound because Gilead owns the patent on remdesivir.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:32 pm to Adam Banks
You see adds for Motrin and adds for Advil. Not adds for "ibuprofen".
You don't see Shell Gasoline advertising trips to the beach because they want people to stop and fill up at their gas stations.
You don't see Shell Gasoline advertising trips to the beach because they want people to stop and fill up at their gas stations.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:33 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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it would cost almost nothing for them to do double blind studies, with nothing but a very possible uptick in sales.
Multicenter, double blind, placebo controlled, phase III clinical trials are actually incredibly expensive.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:34 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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These are their Inpatient Algorithms.
So...not actual clinical trial reports.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:35 pm to BaddestAndvari
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Novartis gets a win/win, with not having to pay for a study, and getting the money from people buying Plaquenil
Absolutely. Thats what Im saying maybe I misunderstood you. Right now they have absolutely no reason to rock the boat. They are making money without any need to show that it works. Less than if it was still under patent but definitely more than before (as I showed earlier TEVA went up directly after Trumps tweet) If Remdesivir data looks good and everything shifts to that then they might fund a double blind study to prove its worth. Until then they have a mass amount of doctors prescribing it to patients they otherwise would not have. No need to open up a box that could completely cut that off.
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:35 pm to Chucktown_Badger
I can get my hands on plaquenil if needed, and you can bet that I would take 200mg per day (along with a z-pack) if I started showing Covid symptoms (and was +).
This post was edited on 4/30/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:35 pm to Chucktown_Badger
They are running clinical trials. Maybe actually read them?
It's straight from the ******* source.
It's straight from the ******* source.
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:38 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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They are running clinical trials. Maybe actually read them?
It's straight from the ******* source.
Links?
Posted on 4/30/20 at 2:38 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Multicenter, double blind, placebo controlled, phase III clinical trials are actually incredibly expensive.
if more and more people are using something... like Plaquenil, would the government not pay a 3rd party to do a trial on it, just to have a definitive answer to the use of that drug?
The few Medical Doctor's I'm close to wouldn't deviate from what the CDC recommends, but I would assume there are enough Medical Doctors in the US that might use Plaquenil without a CDC recommendation, that might set a study into motion?
But of course back to my above post, especially if it does cost a lot of money, we won't ever see a double blind study for Plaquenil from Novartis when they are already profiting from free publicity.
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