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re: Family suing Royal Caribbean in wake of toddler's death

Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:57 pm to
Posted by OutDamSpot
Member since May 2019
336 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:57 pm to
LINK

Link to the dm article with the blurry video of him at the window , baby going to him, being lifted and promptly going out the window.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5068 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:03 pm to
Yep, he's obviously leaning forward on the rail and looking out the window. He's full of shite saying he didn't know the window was open. He picked her up to let her lean out the window a little too and dropped her. No wonder the cruise line was saying the video would show the family has no case.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112642 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:14 pm to
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Link to the dm article with the blurry video of him at the window , baby going to him, being lifted and promptly going out the window.

I don't really understand what I'm watching...at what point did he drop her?

There never seemed to be a reaction of panic from him or anything, and the people around him never seemed to notice.
Posted by redfish99
B.R.
Member since Aug 2007
18749 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:20 pm to
Fukin leaches. Really really stupid leaches
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9611 posts
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:55 pm to
I think the reaction from people noticing him yelling is when more started standing up to see what was happening right at end video. It seems clear the kid went there to lean against bottom window while standing on floor like family mentioned she liked to do at hockey games with grandfather leaning over her with his head having to be out the open window at that point. This went on for a little while and then he picked her up over the hand rail and on top of framing he had just used to look out the open window just minutes earlier.

After that it's hard to tell. Another video showed her reaching for window towards end, and maybe grandfather had played around and told her that there was one there and she reached but slipped from his hands or he just was not properly prepared to handle her on the edge in first place.

So Maybe the kid didn't know the window open, but it's clear the grandfather did and enjoyed it while she looked from bottom window below him. He wanted to share that view from open window with her but messed up badly.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 1:17 pm
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 6:11 am to
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 grandfather accidently killed the kid and the family can't accept that so they sue.

This post was edited on 12/12 at 3:21 pm




hes hoping to establish mitigAting circumstances for his own criminal case.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35144 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 6:23 am to
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He is to blame . No one else

And if perhaps he had been saucing immediately prior to the accident....more potential criminal negligence on his part. But I haven't seen any mention of alcohol, just spitballing.
This post was edited on 12/22/19 at 6:23 am
Posted by DanW1
Member since Jan 2013
1120 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 11:32 am to
I feel for whoever had to recover the body and clean the site. Can't understand how people can do that kind of work.
Posted by OutDamSpot
Member since May 2019
336 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:30 pm to
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I feel for whoever had to recover the body and clean the site. Can't understand how people can do that kind of work.


I have done such work. I have washed the blood and brains of suicide victims away as well as picked up various body parts after accidents and bloated bodies of drowning victims.

Why would i volunteer to do such things? Because it has to be done. The deceased and their family deserve to have their loved one cared for and returned to them. The family should not be the one to have to wash away the blood and brains of a suicide victim.

Its not like it will bring the person back but it brings the family a measure of comfort to know that their loved one was treated as a cherished person, was treated with respect. It like the last act of love that you can give a deceased person.

I dunno, thats the best i can explain it.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 1:02 pm to
I know guys that work for companies like Servpro that have had to clean up homes after suicides, deaths that the person had been there a while, etc.
Said they hated it and were never paid enough to deal with that part of the job
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
34779 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 2:54 pm to
I just got off of this cruise ship. The windows in question on the deck slide open about 2 feet or so, and anyone can open or close them. The grand father is color blind, so I can understand him not being able to see the difference from the missing pane. From the opposite side of the deck, I couldn't tell the open windows from the closed ones.

The child liked to slap hands against the window, and that is what the grandfather was picking the child up to do. I do believe it was an accident that is incredibly horrible, but it's not criminal, and RC shouldn't have culpability there. It's just an incredibly unfortunate accident that had incredibly tragic consequences.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35144 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 3:20 pm to
I read there's video showing him first standing or sitting child on the rail, then sorta holding her a little beyond the edge when it happened. Just can't imagine. If it were me I think it's very possible I'd jump after her. In the heat of multiple chaotic emotions.
Posted by Mike32
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Oct 2003
209 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:43 pm to
Just got off Royal Caribbean's harmony of the seas ship. They do have windows that open but they are close to 5' off the ground and are very narrow. Can't see fault on Royal Caribbean
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 12/22/19 at 5:22 pm to
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I just got off of this cruise ship. The windows in question on the deck slide open about 2 feet or so, and anyone can open or close them. The grand father is color blind, so I can understand him not being able to see the difference from the missing pane. From the opposite side of the deck, I couldn't tell the open windows from the closed ones.

The child liked to slap hands against the window, and that is what the grandfather was picking the child up to do. I do believe it was an accident that is incredibly horrible, but it's not criminal, and RC shouldn't have culpability there. It's just an incredibly unfortunate accident that had incredibly tragic consequences.


For his sake, I wanted to think what you were thinking.

Scroll up a few posts and watch the video taken within the ship. Certainly appears to me that he was leaning out of the window prior to lifting her up to it.

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