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re: Facts from district attorney (Georgia shooting)
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:33 am to the LSUSaint
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:33 am to the LSUSaint
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If I bring a gun to a fistfight, I can absolutely use the gun IF at some point if I feel my life is in danger.
Unless you instigated the entire situation.
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:36 am to the LSUSaint
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If I bring a gun to a fistfight, I can absolutely use the gun IF at some point if I feel my life is in danger.
I'm responding to that..not you and others changing the situation.
So if I want to kill you, I just chase you with a shotgun until you feel you are in danger enough that you try to take my gun, then I shoot and kill you and I walk free?
You dont see the problem there?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:38 am to FAP SAM
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You dont see the problem there?
Yes. I wasnt defending the guys, I only replied to the iduit that said you cant bring a gun to a fist fight and end up legally using it. You can
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:40 am to bigpetedatiga
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They knew that?
Yes, the ex cop worked on one of Ahmauds cases, he also has a brother in jail and a cousin that's had run ins with them.
This was in the AJC, so I didn't fact check them.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:42 am to DeafJam73
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They had no way of knowing his record.
Yes they do. See above.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:43 am to Inspector85
spin
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:44 am to dgnx6
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Yes, the ex cop worked on one of Ahmauds cases, he also has a brother in jail and a cousin that's had run ins with them.
That doesn't mean he recognized him. If he did why didnt he say so with all the other lies in his original statement to police?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:44 am to dagrippa
Nothing more than a Government thug covering for a former Government thug.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:45 am to dgnx6
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Yes, the ex cop worked on one of Ahmauds cases, he also has a brother in jail and a cousin that's had run ins with them.
So that gives them the right to shoot the guy?
bullshite, if they never started after him with their truck, then the never have an issue.
Call the non ex cops and have them do their job.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:45 am to Inspector85
Pull a gun on someone lawful or not you better be willing to live with the consequences.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:46 am to Ice Cold
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You can’t bring a shotgun to a fist fight and then claim self defense because the other guy grabbed it.
You’re using an incorrect analogy a fist fight is already an illegal act. You can argue that they were actually lawfully interacting with him under the GA law.
He then appears to lunge at the guy with the shotgun and try to grab it or attack him and is shot.
Now I’m not saying that they were right by any means but if they are convicted of something it will be along a negligent homicide/manslaughter equivalent in GA and not murder 1/2 IMO.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:46 am to FAP SAM
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Gregory McMichael, aged 64 at the time of the shooting, had spent more than two decades working as an investigator with the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney's Office until May 2019. In this position, McMichael had previously worked as an investigator on one investigation involving Arbery.[2
Look man, I don't have the answers. I'm just saying an ex cop can know a guys record of stealing and bringing a hand gun to school in the town he works in.
They still murdered him.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:47 am to TigerDat
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So that gives them the right to shoot the guy?
bullshite, if they never started after him with their truck, then the never have an issue.
Call the non ex cops and have them do their job.
Where did I say that?
I've specifically stated in multiple threads they should just let the police handle it.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:48 am to Golfer
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No it doesn’t. A citizen’s arrest does not automatically confer the right to use deadly force. That is a separate question altogether.
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The father/son admit on the 911 call that he was only trespassing.
Posted this in the other thread. You can't preform a citizens arrest in Ga unless you witness a felony.
Additionally, the only way the citizen arrest statute OCGA 17-4-60 holds is if the offense is a felony.
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A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
Note the statute does not authorize the use of deadly force to detain the subject.
At best, if just looking into a house under construction, Arbery was guilty of trespassing. Per Georgia Law, trespassing only rises to a misdemeanor.
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(d) A person who commits the offense of criminal trespass shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:51 am to dgnx6
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Look man, I don't have the answers. I'm just saying an ex cop can know a guys record of stealing and bringing a hand gun to school in the town he works in.
But he can work the dude's case and not remember him or be able to ID him. My point is that if he had said in his initial statement the he knew the guy and he knew he had a history of illegal gun possesion that would at least explain why they felt they needed guns in the first place.
That still wouldn't be an excuse for murdering the guy tho
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:53 am to FAP SAM
Ok
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:54 am to dgnx6
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ex cop
Isn’t that the point?
If he knew enough to make a citizens arrest, he should have called the cops. Nothing urgent.
If he didn’t know enough, he’s an armed a-hole looking for trouble.
Either way, he loses.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:54 am to dgnx6
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Yes they do. See above
Can he prove that he was an immediate threat to the community or in the act of a crime?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:55 am to JudgeHolden
What are y'all asking me? He murdered the guy.
I was just responding how could he possibly know he was stealing.
Jesus Christ, the guy was a fricking cop in that town up until what? Less than a year ago.
I was just responding how could he possibly know he was stealing.
Jesus Christ, the guy was a fricking cop in that town up until what? Less than a year ago.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:01 am to Inspector85
I read the DA's opinion. Those are reasonable enough arguments against a murder charge and I'm sure their defense attorney can make those arguments during their murder trial.
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