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re: Explain this $600 tax thing to me like I am 12 please...

Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:17 pm to
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
15908 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:17 pm to
Next time make them pay you twice, $300 each
Posted by painman1
Member since Jan 2023
295 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:22 pm to
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People like you always assume the law is about someone else. You're the problem. It's always about anyone that has money and that means you, every moonlighting maid or baby sitter, they want your money, and more of it.


Damn. OP already paid taxes when he bought the watch. We all know where the problem is.
Posted by Kramer26
St. George, LA
Member since Jan 2005
6455 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:29 pm to
Just box up and mail the watch to Uncle Sam.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
10128 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:31 pm to
The gubment makes no allowances for inflation.

Depending on how long ago you bought the watch, the dollar was worth more then than now, say $1200 today's dollars. You sold the watch for $800 and lost four hundred todays dollars.

Well, you're going to have to pay tax on your two hundred dollar profit that wasn't really a profit.
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:45 pm to
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The gubment makes no allowances for inflation


Standard deduction and tax brackets (among other items) are effectively adjusted for inflation. Regardless, income taxes are inefficient, not capturing the effects of inflation 100% is a symptom of that.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40420 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:52 pm to
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If you paid $600 you have $600 basis in the watch. If you sold for $600, you have a gain of zero. Nothing with the taxation changed, just the reporting threshold.


Can he take capital loss to offset gains assuming a loss

Normally I wouldn't but now that you made me report it we are going to do it right
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1644 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

The gubment makes no allowances for inflation.


LIFO (Last In First Out) does if you are a business C or S.
It helps your write off inflation. But you have to keep good records.

Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:59 pm to
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Can he take capital loss to offset gains assuming a loss


Yeah I think a loss on the watch would be capital in nature.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 10:59 pm to
And everyone should evade it. Just another democratic ploy to destroy the middle class and divide things between the haves and have nots, just like every communist society ends up.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
40529 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:00 pm to
Did you sell for more than you purchased?
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:07 pm to
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Just another democratic ploy to destroy the middle class and divide things between the haves and have nots


Okay, the law hasn’t changed, this was always taxable. If I make $100k as a w2 employee I should play by the same rules as the guy who makes $100k flipping watches on eBay right?
This post was edited on 4/2/23 at 11:08 pm
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16457 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:08 pm to
Report the original cost basis and the difference is your income. If you sold it for less I’m pretty sure it’s not deductible (because you didn't buy it as a investment. Only investments can take capital losses). But you also don't owe any taxes on it. But if you made money it’s taxable. That's at least what I remember from my tax classes
This post was edited on 4/2/23 at 11:10 pm
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
6333 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:08 pm to
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I heard about the $600 thing but assumed it was for people running businesses online. Not for a simple buy / sell one time transaction.


You did the same thing a business did xso it's taxed. Same as casino winnings
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
102240 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

If you paid $600 you have $600 basis in the watch. If you sold for $600, you have a gain of zero. Nothing with the taxation changed, just the reporting threshold.


But in order to recover your basis, you have to itemize, and find enough other deductions to offset the amount of the standard deduction. Otherwise you have to take the standard deduction and pay tax on the full 600.

Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
82172 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:17 pm to
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they said frick whitey or suck gay dick or wash black feet or something. Idk


This just made me laugh way too hard. You’re underrated on here.
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:34 pm to
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But in order to recover your basis, you have to itemize, and find enough other deductions to offset the amount of the standard deduction. Otherwise you have to take the standard deduction and pay tax on the full 600.


Wrong
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
8013 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:36 pm to
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With audit risk effectively at zero, unless you have a ton of these reportable transactions, if you want to evade tax like everyone has in the past, you can still easily do it.


Surely the Inflation Reduction Act by increasing spending including almost $80 billion to IRS and this new reporting requirement are going to increase that audit risk a little.

quote:

IRS Budget Increase
Enforcement +$45.6 billion
Operations Support +$25.3 billion
Business System
Modernization +$4.8 billion
Taxpayer Services +$3.2 billion
Other +$0.7 billion

Total +$79.6 billion


I get people have not been reporting some income received through PayPal and similar on taxes, but going from a threshold of 200 transactions worth an aggregate above $22,000 and to every transaction above $600 seems extreme especially if they can’t guarantee personal transfers won’t trigger 1099-Ks or eventual audits.

quote:

While the agency says personal transfers won’t trigger 1099-Ks, experts say some filers may receive the form by mistake, reporting personal payments as income, which may be difficult to correct.



They pushed back reporting requirement in December and now required for 2023 taxes. I am not sure that’s enough unless other changes are done by IRS to ensure personal transfers aren’t being flagged and really not reported to IRS in first place.

Receive $601 in cash or check from roommate to pay share of apartment or other bills at end of month the IRS doesn’t receive a report, but the more likely way this is done today possibly gets reported to IRS. That’s BS. Privacy concerns and personal time and $ costs for compliance on top of an increased chance of being audited by IRS regardless of how small that increase is.

Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
4242 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:39 pm to
Surely the Inflation Reduction Act by increasing spending including almost $80 billion to IRS and this new reporting requirement are going to increase that audit risk a little

I’m sure it will, but a little bit more than zero is still effectively zero. If you’ve got tons of reportable transactions (vs 1 for selling a watch), then obviously that’s a different scenario.

I’m not going to defend the reporting requirements as they seem onerous and over the top.
Posted by gmac8604
Green Bay, WI
Member since Jun 2012
1232 posts
Posted on 4/2/23 at 11:52 pm to
Where does it say you have to file for taxes? To my knowledge of the the 16th ammendment, income tax was taken from your check. It was automatic. Why should I have to file if I filled out a W4?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10037 posts
Posted on 4/3/23 at 12:11 am to
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OP already paid taxes when he bought the watch.


So, to grok this, you need to understand that he's being issued a tax form for which *he has to create explanations for* one something he shouldn't owe taxes on. Otherwise, IRS wins. He shouldn't have to prove his innocence.

You reek of someone that hasn't had an interactive experience with the IRS or other government agency that wants your money, and asks you to prove your innocence 2-3 years after you cut them a check.
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