re: Explain the incel “movement” to me like I’m an idiot

These people have always been around. Social misfits, sci fi and video game afficianados, fat dudes etc.

They used to fail at the bar, the also fail on social media apps. Hookers have thrived since the beginning of time because of these guys.

But those groups you named are teeming with guys that have relationships. Even us fat guys can pull off Fred Flintstone. Incels are the Rodger type kid that went on that shooting spree or that va tech shooter. their manifestos line up with the whole narcissistic I deserve more crap.

ill admit, the girls i want to date are probably disgusted about me.

i guess i always like girls out of my league. top tier sorority girls... But dont people always say shoot for the best you can get?

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i guess i always like girls out of my league. top tier sorority girls... But dont people always say shoot for the best you can get?

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It depends on what your SMV (sexual marketing value) is relative to hers.

There's nothing wrong with it if you have a good approach. The issue is if that's the only type you go for and its apparent you are not getting attention.

Can you give cliff notes on what compromises a SMV?

I'm 59, so I'm not really in the game any more. I've gained weight since my late teen, and young adult, years. I have a messed up leg, and have to wear a brace, but I still get the same smiles I got from women when I was a Greek God. Confidence is a big part of it. Always has been.

Those guys need to work at, and get good at, something. Especially the younger guys. Whether it's work related, sports related, something artistic, or being funny on Youtube. Be the best video game guy, singer, or fisherman. They need to gain confidence, and their lives will change.

Make your mark, and be proud of who you are.

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My question is what is causing this? 

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because girls 18-30, would rather tinder frick a guy 2 levels above them or go outside of her race, than settle for a similar rank boyfriend.

If you bring something else to the table, like you make good money, play in a band or something, then she can use that to boast to her friends, but if youre just an average joe with an average job then you wont make their friends envious.

It's all about envy, if you're a guy, you have to play the game. Say that you do volunteer work, wear trendy fashion, big arse truck, or something that has that "wow" factor. If you dont, you wont get laid by anyone who isnt lower than your range.

1. "oh hes a lawyer?"
2. "OMG Stacey, does it feel different, are they really that much bigger?"
3. "damn girl, Ive always wanted a guy with that V pointing to his junk"


It's like a clawfoot tub. Every girl "loves" one, until they actually live with one and slip and fall based on its impractical shape. But its a selling point..."ooohhh claw foot tub"

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Their first mistake was usually listening to girls for advice on how to date girls. While this sounds logical, it doesn't take into account just how much high school age girls are willing to lie to themselves. So, they get stuck hearing things like "Never change, I wish my boyfriend was as nice to me as you are" and other statements that make him believe that his problem is that he just isn't nice enough.

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This plays a big role, imo, but I don’t believe women are consciously and purposefully lying to themselves and others about what they want. They seriously don’t know. What those women teally wish for is that they were attracted to a nice guy, but they’re not. What society has taught them to want is anathema to what their reproductive system tells them to desire.

It’s kinda like nutrition. Our food has become so processed as to trip the healthy desires our bodies have and instead channel them towards the least healthy foods possible. Our artificial flavorings trick the brain into telling us we want candy when our guts are telling the brain we need more fruit. Our brains are telling us we want more fried chicken when our gut is saying we need carbs and protein.

The same is true for women and Chads. They actually do want a “nice” guy in their heads, but their labido is programmed to desire aggressive, assertive, confident hunters. Thus, because our society teaches men who aren’t douchebags to be very deferential, submissive, and docile, when women come across a douchebag, her biology is fooled into thinking that represents that confident, assertive hunter that would make a good mate.

The solution is not to withdraw from dating or stop being nice. The solution is to incorporate the confidence and humor while ditching the douchiness and replacing it with chivalry. You can be both kind and assertive and get laid. These aren’t mutually exclusive things nor is it rocket science. Often times, the difference between a man who reads to a woman as a pathetic loser verses a viable option is only that man’s attitude towards himself and others and his body language. They can literally smell desperation, yet they’re often attracted to ambivalence, because it represents a challenge. Women, especially pretty women are used to creepy dudes fawning all over them all the time, so when a guy ignores them or treats them like they’re nothing special, they assume he must know something, like this guy must be amazing if he doesn’t need to give ME attention! I’m going to make him give me that attention. That’s why married dudes tend to get hit on by single women far more often than thirsty chads. The married dude is not trying to get laid (usually). In fact, they’re often actively ignoring the women around them. Those women, in their brains, mistake that for self-confidence and thus find those married guys way more attractive as a result. It really is that simple.

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Best way to avoid it - get involved in sports. Go through high school in an environment where you're working out every day and have a good set of male friends.

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I would definitely agree with this advice. My older brother definitely struggled with socializing until he went out for track in middle school. Just having that group of male friends really helped bring him out of his shell.

Assuming they’re not completely too far gone by the time they get to college, I would also encourage them to join a fraternity as a way to help them learn how to be social.

Granted, I didn’t do either of those things, but I was in the marching band in both high school and college, so I had a large group of friends from that and I wasn’t completely socially inept like these incel f$&kboys are.