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re: Examples of Police Shootings where victim didn't brandish weapon or resist arrest

Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:34 pm to
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:34 pm to
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Someone resisted arrest while armed with an a/c unit?


If you ever see somebody carrying something like a window unit, rest assured they are on the Do Not frick With list. Rest assured that man has one thing going through his mind, and it’s “frick this bullshite.” Similarly, never frick with a guy loading or unloading a U-Haul.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
8116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:35 pm to
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He’d be alive if he wasn’t shot, soo...

Are we on another planet where he isn't responsible for his actions? HE ESCALATED THE SITUATION.

You know what, don't answer that first question. Honk fricking Honk.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:35 pm to
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or resist arrest


And here's the rub. There are certainly multiple examples of legit resisting arrest, but there are others where it is kinda gray. But in those gray examples, the benefit of the doubt always goes to the cop. Take the George Floyd case for an example. Early in his interaction there was certainly some resisting. Towards the end though, he had stopped resisting other than his body's natural instinct to avoid injury/death. Same thing with Eric Garner. Anyone is going to "resist" when they're in a chokehold.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:36 pm to
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Cooperated in every way

Philando Castile too.


Fricked up and they should be held accountable, period. It isn’t that hard.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Member since Oct 2015
21116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:37 pm to
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Are we on another planet where he isn't responsible for his actions? HE ESCALATED THE SITUATION.


Personal responsibility is not high on some people’s list.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 6:39 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:40 pm to
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an outstanding warrant


For a fricking misdemeanor.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7842 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:41 pm to
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I like how resisting arrest carries the penalty of death for so many here.


Going to be epic when they come for your guns.


Terrible argument. There is a clear difference between compliance and tyranny.

These situations where perps resist arrest would never escalate to them getting shot to death if they didn't resist to begin with. That's not to say cops aren't also in the wrong at times as well. Look at the Philando Castille shooting for example.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:42 pm to
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HE ESCALATED THE SITUATION.


Yet the poli board wants to pat the cops on the back in Virginia who immediately escalated the situation in a traffic stop and did nothing to deescalate.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:44 pm to
Daniel Shaver

Botham Jean

Many no knock raids
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:44 pm to
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Are we on another planet where he isn't responsible for his actions? HE ESCALATED THE SITUATION.


He’s dead, so I’d say he paid a pretty steep price for his actions. Did he escalate them to a point where death was a reasonable consequence? I’d argue he did not. I assume you disagree.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:46 pm to
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He’s dead, so I’d say he paid a pretty steep price for his actions. Did he escalate them to a point where death was a reasonable consequence? I’d argue he did not. I assume you disagree.


Perhaps if he didn’t escalate them we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:47 pm to
I'm pretty sure that pulling the trigger was an escalation.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91342 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:48 pm to
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Perhaps if he didn’t escalate them we wouldn’t be having this discussion.


Probably not. If the cop was worth a shite at her job we probably aren’t having this conversation either.

The idea that “he should have complied” excuses everything that happens next kind of blows my mind.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71766 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:48 pm to
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Resisting arrest does not warrant the death penalty, btw.

Nope, but it is a damn certain way to bring it into play.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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21116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:50 pm to
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Nope, but it is a damn certain way to bring it into play.



Posted by DemonKA3268
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Member since Oct 2015
21116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:51 pm to
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Probably not. If the cop was worth a shite at her job we probably aren’t having this conversation either.

The idea that “he should have complied” excuses everything that happens next kind of blows my mind.


Become a cop then and lead by example. You won’t.

Gotta love the peanut gallery. Anymore excuses you want to make?

If a cop is wrong, they should be held accountable. Can’t make it any clearer.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 6:53 pm
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7842 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:52 pm to
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The idea that “he should have complied” excuses everything that happens next kind of blows my mind.


I mean, what's the cop supposed to do? They don't know what the perp is potentially grabbing in his car, hence why they instruct them not to reenter the vehicle. 99% of people are going to assume they are going for a weapon.
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Member since Oct 2015
21116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:53 pm to
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I mean, what's the cop supposed to do? They don't know what the perp is potentially grabbing in his car, hence why they instruct them not to reenter the vehicle. 99% of people are going to assume they are going for a weapon.


Shhh, don’t bring logic into this.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
8116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:56 pm to
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Yet the poli board wants to pat the cops on the back in Virginia who immediately escalated the situation in a traffic stop and did nothing to deescalate.

Find where I made an excuse for the Virginia cops or said anything about that matter at all. Then maybe your whataboutism would be relevant.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21116 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:57 pm to
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Probably not. If the cop was worth a shite at her job we probably aren’t having this conversation either.

The idea that “he should have complied” excuses everything that happens next kind of blows my mind.



Frick pussyfooting around, tell us what the solution is, Einstien. We’ll wait
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