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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:17 pm to slackster
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don’t think failure to comply justifies any and every LEO action that follows. Apparently that’s controversial.
Yet not every incident of resisting leads to death.
Again, what do you propose? You’ve already alluded to being a cop not being a “marketable” skill. So what can be done?
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:19 pm to Tuscaloosa
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1. Don’t break the law
2. Don’t resist arrest if you do
Can I at least resist unlawful 4A infringements?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:20 pm to DemonKA3268
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Yet not every incident of resisting leads to death.
There are over 3 million cop/citizen encounters a day, with amazingly low death or injury rates.
Police violence isn't one of the most pressing issues of our day.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There are over 3 million cop/citizen encounters a day, with amazingly low death or injury rates.
Police violence isn't one of the most pressing issues of our day
Bingo
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:25 pm to DemonKA3268
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Again, what do you propose? You’ve already alluded to being a cop not being a “marketable” skill. So what can be done?
I think there are just shitty cops, just like there are shitty doctors and teachers. I think the amount of money vs the bullshite leads to a less than ideal applicant pool, but plenty of money is simply wasted in departments too. I think better pay and some sort of stress testing for these situations would be a good start, if it isn’t already being done, but ultimately I think there will always be bad apples.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:30 pm to DemonKA3268
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This is the issue. Period
Right side of the brain thinkers; they can't help it because they've never used the left side where all the logic and critical thinking takes place. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:30 pm to slackster
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I think there are just shitty cops
Whats your metric for measuring shitty cops?
You've already stated all cops must be 100% unflappable.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:32 pm to Displaced
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Resisting arrest does not warrant the death penalty
Neither does going to work
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:32 pm to slackster
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I think there are just shitty cops, just like there are shitty doctors and teachers. I think the amount of money vs the bull shite leads to a less than ideal applicant pool, but plenty of money is simply wasted in departments too. I think better pay and some sort of stress testing for these situations would be a good start, if it isn’t already being done, but ultimately I think there will always be bad apples.
Unfortunately, we don’t and never will live in a perfect world.
Perhaps what you suggested would work.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I finally saw the Daniel Shaver video a few days ago.
What the frick was wrong with those cops?
What the frick was wrong with those cops?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:34 pm to DemonKA3268
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Perhaps what you suggested would work.
Reduce laws
Which reduces the need for cops
Learn to protect yourself, cops don't do that anyway.
The only answer to this issue.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:34 pm to LordSaintly
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What the frick was wrong with those cops?
And the cop walked.
It's the most heinous of all incidents, yet strangely rarely gets mentioned.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You've already stated all cops must be 100% unflappable.
I’ve never said that.
If I frick up, I pay the price. The same should happen for cops and perps. Instead they get a ton of folks who defend them and make excuses.
Sometimes a cop fricks up. Many times a perp fricks up. Sometimes they both frick up. No excuses are necessary.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:39 pm to slackster
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The same should happen for cops and perps
It does. Are you under the impression cops never get fired?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You gotta try it unless they're armed.
If you can confirm they are armed/not armed, then I agree for sure.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:44 pm to ElRoos
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If you can confirm they are armed/not armed
Correct.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If you comply with police commands, you'll be fine. Don't comply, and you'll have a serious issue. As you should...
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There are over 3 million cop/citizen encounters a day, with amazingly low death or injury rates. Police violence isn't one of the most pressing issues of our day.
While I generally agree statistically speaking
; cops are citizens as well, and this cop/citizen terminology divide goes to a heart of one of the problems, which is the relationship dynamic between law-enforcement and the people they interact with.
Part of the problem in my eye is this separation into these artificial classes. Law enforcement officers often DO view themselves as being separate and of a higher station, and this is a problem because I believe that it can lead to a lack of respect and/or empathy for the people they interact with, which CAN lead to unnecessary escalation and outcomes.
I’m not saying we ought to replace police with social workers, and criminals will be criminals, but not being a trigger-happy prick would go a long way, and there really must be a way to weed these personality types out. And this is coming from someone who generally holds law-enforcement in a positive light, understanding it to be necessary to help maintain a safe and civil society.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:52 pm to tiger81
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and you'll have a serious issue. As you should...
I disagree.
If we are talking about a stop light infraction, I am not too worried.
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