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re: Every developed country has high speed rail, why are so many against it in the U.S.?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:57 pm to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:57 pm to RaoulDuke504
Because we're surrounded by idiots who think trains are some sort of communist plot.
Air travel SUCKS these days...just awful. It's expensive, it's uncomfortable, it's becoming less and less of a time saver given the whole mess of arriving early to find parking and make it through security. There's zero indication the airlines have any intention of moving toward greater comfort or amenities to improve the experience for the casual traveler; in fact, they're going the opposite direction.
EuroRail is incredible. Japan's system is awesome. The pricing isn't so cheap that you end up with a bunch of riff raff like Greyhound, but it's not exorbitantly expensive for a typical middle class family, either. You get to see the countryside, too.
Think of how many jobs a project like this would create? Just good, solid, blue collar jobs with decent wages to build out a national system. Just like the interstate system was a huge boon to the American economy, so too would HSR.
Air travel SUCKS these days...just awful. It's expensive, it's uncomfortable, it's becoming less and less of a time saver given the whole mess of arriving early to find parking and make it through security. There's zero indication the airlines have any intention of moving toward greater comfort or amenities to improve the experience for the casual traveler; in fact, they're going the opposite direction.
EuroRail is incredible. Japan's system is awesome. The pricing isn't so cheap that you end up with a bunch of riff raff like Greyhound, but it's not exorbitantly expensive for a typical middle class family, either. You get to see the countryside, too.
Think of how many jobs a project like this would create? Just good, solid, blue collar jobs with decent wages to build out a national system. Just like the interstate system was a huge boon to the American economy, so too would HSR.
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:58 pm to RaoulDuke504
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I believe you now look at Chinas progress the last 30 years and look at the U.S. progress
China does things different.
Yeah they dont have a bunch of homeless people anymore and a lot of their citizens are urban now. But they get basic amenities. Gas, water, elctricity. The rest arent provided to them. No sanitation, no fire department or public services. They also took old historic areas and tore them down and rebuilt.
And here we are arguing over giving our poor free sugary drinks. And argue over tearing down historic landmarks or old buildings.
The CCP does what it wants.
Another example is see how much people freak out over trump trying to use a little bit of fed lands for more logging.
I mean people act like their dog died over this shite.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:58 pm to RaoulDuke504
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Pictures posted to eliminate the comments about the U.S. size
That one with China is also bullshite. They have very few regularly active high-speed trains. They don't have the capability to manufacture the necessary wheels for their own trains, the ones they've attempted have such bad vibration issues they can't actually be used at high speeds....
There's no real market in the US, public transportation doesn't work because too many people are trash and existing trains cost such that I can get a better deal flying.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 2:59 pm to MFn GIMP
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I value my ability to get in my car and drive wherever I want, whenever I want. I do not want to be beholden to government run transportation. Europe and Dictatorial China can do whatever the hell they want because their citizens are subservient to the government.
You can always not ride them, does public transport make you watch the bus?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:00 pm to mmmmmbeeer
We all love taking the train in Germany. But it's not just because we "hate trains." That's stupid.
1) it would cost trillions of dollars
2) we'd have to contend with regulatory hurdles (in a way, say, China did not)
3) it would never resemble European train travel for the same reason our domestic air travel doesn't resemble theirs
4) we're not dense enough to make it as beneficial
1) it would cost trillions of dollars
2) we'd have to contend with regulatory hurdles (in a way, say, China did not)
3) it would never resemble European train travel for the same reason our domestic air travel doesn't resemble theirs
4) we're not dense enough to make it as beneficial
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:00 pm to BabyTac
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It still baffles me the south refuses to adopt good or even decent means of public transit.
Because we don't want to put up with poor, often mentally ill, trash like you.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:01 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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ecause we're surrounded by idiots who think trains are some sort of communist plot.
Lol, your people wouldn't let a rail through nola today because it would hurt black people.
Your people are trying to remove a tiny part of I10, that goes across the whole country.
But this one little spot through treme is the problem.
Dont forget your folks stopped keystone.
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The I-10 Claiborne Expressway, built in 1968, runs through the historically Black and Creole neighborhood of Tremé in New Orleans, causing significant disruption and displacement, and sparking ongoing community efforts for its removal or alteration.
Good luck building your new rail line in any urban area.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:06 pm to RaoulDuke504
you can do that with central planning
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:09 pm to RaoulDuke504
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One through the southeast to Texas is a no brainer
Who is riding this other than mexicans?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:14 pm to RaoulDuke504
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The U.S. spends more on education, police, and healthcare per person than any high taxed nation.
Department of Education is federal government
Police departments are run at all government levels
Federal government now has a heavy hand in health insurance
I don’t want to pay for any train service run by government.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:16 pm to Pettifogger
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1) it would cost trillions of dollars
2) we'd have to contend with regulatory hurdles (in a way, say, China did not)
3) it would never resemble European train travel for the same reason our domestic air travel doesn't resemble theirs
4) we're not dense enough to make it as beneficial
I can't argue with any of these points other than number 4. Every flight these days is packed full...there's plenty of intercity demand and traffic to justify the build.
Regulatory issues need to be streamlined and that's certainly something our current admin has promised to do (and I hope they're successful). I don't think this is a deal where we need to eat the whole elephant in one bite....start with one of the existing Amtrak lines like DC-NYC and see how it works out.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:18 pm to RaoulDuke504
Because these countries do not want it;s citizens to have freedom of association derived from freedom of movement,
Trains controlled or monitored by the government goes against what We The People want. We want to drive our own vehicles where the f*ck we want to drive,
Trains controlled or monitored by the government goes against what We The People want. We want to drive our own vehicles where the f*ck we want to drive,
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:20 pm to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:20 pm to RaoulDuke504
Most people in this country have cars which makes high speed rail more of a luxury and less of a necessity
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:26 pm to OWLFAN86
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I honestly don't understand how people under 50, maybe under 40 just seem to have forgotten that China and Russia are our enemies and they hate us and their cultures have always been bent on world domination.
Having to been to China and speak regularly to a few over there, they do not hate us, at least not the civilians. They actually envy us and think we have the best of everything, and actually have a lot of respect for us.
That's been my experience with the people i've spoken to in mainland china.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:29 pm to RaoulDuke504
Russia doesn’t have roads or bathrooms. I’ll take what we have.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:31 pm to RaoulDuke504
You want us to answer that here to the point you and others could understand? We like cars
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:32 pm to theballguy
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You would think so but lily white doesn't want them in their neighborhoods I guess
Hey dumbass, try routing new public infrastructure through a historically-minority neighborhood now and see what happens. Every inch of ground is a historic, distinct community full of historic cemeteries and gathering places that will be irrevocably harmed by the project.
"Progressive" and minority activists today are every bit as NIMBY as suburban neighborhoods, and more so when it comes to trying to expand infrastructure and tax bases .
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:34 pm to RaoulDuke504
China- more than a Billion people living within an area the size of the East coast.
Russia- Majority of population in a small area
Europe- large populations living close together
USA- doesn’t work due to the sheer distance between our metro areas. Also the capital cost is astronomical when our aviation infrastructure is already built out.
It can work for regions like the Northeast though.
Russia- Majority of population in a small area
Europe- large populations living close together
USA- doesn’t work due to the sheer distance between our metro areas. Also the capital cost is astronomical when our aviation infrastructure is already built out.
It can work for regions like the Northeast though.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 3:35 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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I can't argue with any of these points other than number 4. Every flight these days is packed full...there's plenty of intercity demand and traffic to justify the build.
What I mean is that it's just regionally specific in terms of density. Europe has the benefit of having a world city/european capital within 90 minutes from a half dozen cultural cities/towns of historical note. It contributes to that idyllic train travel experience when you can take a 40 minute train ride from a city center to some awesome small city of 75k and spend the day.
I just think hopping a train from Atlanta to Macon or Chattanooga isn't going to live up to that. In New England it might, in parts of California it might, etc.
That's not to say it wouldn't be nice to have, I just think we all go "oh man I'd use it constantly" but in real life you're going to Greenville, SC only slightly more often than you are with your existing transportation options.
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