re: EV owners are increasingly frustrated with home charging, and it should worry EV makers

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A major factor in this decline in satisfaction was the inflationary rise in electricity prices, the study found.

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But I thought they were laughing as they passed all those gas stations?

Ya'll are so ate up you are downvoting basic planning

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I’m in the industry and you have to realize it’s still basically in its infancy. As much of a talking point as it has become there is no rush to put everyone in an EV, and those with industry knowledge would the the first to tell you it will introduce a slew of new issues if we rush it. Gas isn’t going anywhere now or for the foreseeable future.

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I’m in the industry also (ice side). Where you are missing the point about the gas side not going anywhere is the development of new model ice components. We are at a tipping point where the development and manufacturing part of engine components are being shuffled around to different locations. This tells me that the transition is happening faster than what you say.

Even if a new administration is elected who doesn’t have the misguided desire to “do away with fossil fuels”….manufacturers are too far invested to go back to ice. I know for a fact that an engine component supplier has already told a company who makes arguably the best engines in the business to look elsewhere for their part. The automaker is pushing ev and the supplier can see what’s coming.

Sad thing is that it’s a critical engine component.

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Sad thing is that it’s a critical engine component.

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I don't really see that side of it but that is good perspective

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AFAIK, some or most of these cars have software built-in to charge overnight during off-peak times — it just sounds like they're not using it.

Unless you commute hundreds of miles, most people don't even need 240V charging, and can do just fine on a 10-hour 120V top-up.

But one has to wonder, when "everyone" supposedly starts doing this overnight, will there even be such a thing as economy hours on the local grid anymore?

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I don't know much about EVs but electrically speaking there is no cost advantage to charging at 120 volts compared to 240 volts. 50% of the current on 2 conductors equals 100% on one conductor. There may be a slight savings on installation because of the smaller wire size for 240 Volt but it won't be much if it is a 4 wire system because you will have 4 conductors instead of 3. 2 pole breakers are similar in price to single pole breakers. Unless the 240 volt charger is quicker due to something other than current, and I don't know what it would be, the costs will be similar between 120 and 240 volt charging.

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40 amp 240 volt single phase...Thats gonna make a meter spin off the wall

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I think you have to consider that a Level 2 charger at home on a dedicated 40-amp circuit at 240V will charge an EV faster than a commercial 208V 3-phase.

At that point you're putting in somewhere around 7.7 kW, which is waaaayyy over what most, average commuters would even need.

For comparison, that would give you 150 to 200 miles in 10 hours, so unless you're driving that much per day, you would only be using it periodically.

Even a 20-amp circuit could give you 100 miles per day (assuming 3.8 kW in).

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You seem to be quite knowledgeable in this realm

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I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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It’s really not that fricking hard to charge your car at home. Set the charging to charge at off peak hours for the biggest savings.

I bet it’s still cheaper at home during peak hours than driving a gas car.

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I think it will be, I don't think it is yet.