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Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:29 pm to thadcastle
quote:
We sit on ridiculous amount of natural gas
Natural gas delivery was the major cause of the 2021 blackouts, hoss.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:29 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:
nat gas
Are we the Saudi Arabia of natural gas? Asking for a friend.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:31 pm to thadcastle
All this happens when the idiots who demanded dependency on wind and solar are pushing for EV's and all electric.
How about building some new gas plants and small modular nuclear plants.
How about building some new gas plants and small modular nuclear plants.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:31 pm to lowhound
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Remember during that great freeze and the Feds wouldn't even allow Texas to burn more fossil fuels to generate power when the green energy options were failing?
No, I remember natural gas supply and power generators failing because they failed to winterize which lead to diminished power supply. Green energy was expected to diminish in that situation and ERCOT relied on thermal to keep supply going. Why can't thermal supply get their shite together?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:32 pm to lowhound
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It amazes me that even in Texas we rely so heavily on green energy that its causes us power supply issues.
It's EPA mandated, not Texas. Remember during that great freeze and the Feds wouldn't even allow Texas to burn more fossil fuels to generate power when the green energy options were failing?
This is correct, buncha half truths in this thread elsewhere.
1. Unexpected thermal outages happen just like wind turbines and solar farms need unexpected maintenance. The DIFFERENCE is that if you build all or mostly thermal, it is ON DEMAND and not at the mercy of the weather. Arguments to the contrary by two posters in this thread are just willful blindness or simple ignorance. Or perhaps trolling.
2.How did Texas get here with all this "green" power? Texans didn't have any control over it. In the early 2k's, TXU, the biggest power generator in Texas (sells power to most of the "power" companies in Texas), had a comprehensive growth plan that included clean coal plants and NG plants, along with steady expansion of renewables at a manageable scale. KKR, the Wall Street takeover firm, bought TXU in a hostile takeover with the declared intent of forcing more "green" energy production. They did just that, openly taunting the state government in the press while doing so, stating "You can't stop us!" to Rick Perry. Well, their little plan drove TXU into bankruptcy even as the wind and solar farms were being built, and what does a nearly-BK company run by spreadsheet profiteers on the street do? It cuts every corner it can on cost for things like, oh, winterizing wind turbines and gas supply systems so they will still work in rare sub-zero temps. On the first day of Snowpocalypse, Texas wind and solar availability was <5%, which overstressed the rest of the system, leading to cascade trips in the thermal plants.
I had a ringside seat for it through involvement in green tech companies and public/private initiatives. You can Google the news stories about KKR and the TXU takeover/BK. It's all out there.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:34 pm to TigerHornII
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On the first day of Snowpocalypse, Texas wind and solar availability was <5%, which overstressed the rest of the system, leading to cascade trips in the thermal plants.
Such bullshite
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:37 pm to holmesbr
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I don't disagree with you but whose backyard do we put the spent fuel rods?
We have millions of square miles of empty desert. Just go bury them in a mountain somewhere. Or pay Elon a ridiculous amount of money to launch them into space.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:39 pm to holmesbr
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don't disagree with you but whose backyard do we put the spent fuel rods?
The same place we've kept them for the last 60 years. In tanks onsite at the same plants they were used at.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:40 pm to BabyTac
quote:
We sit on ridiculous amount of natural gas
Natural gas delivery was the major cause of the 2021 blackouts, hoss.
Wrong, hoss. Read my earlier post and spend less time reading agendas from "reporters" and "journalists".
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:42 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:
quote:
On the first day of Snowpocalypse, Texas wind and solar availability was <5%, which overstressed the rest of the system, leading to cascade trips in the thermal plants.
Such bullshite
Go ahead, prove me wrong. You can't. All you know is what some "reporter" spoonfeeds you. I was in touch with people who are actually in the business of energy production that day. You're just an internet "expert".
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:45 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:
If there weren't thermal outages, there would be no problems.
Maintenance problem happen. System failures happen. The problem here is that covering a spike in generating plants going down is with an unreliable intermittent source.
It's always a crap shoot, but covering your odds with an unreliable source is a bigger screw-up waiting to happen.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:46 pm to TigerHornII
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Read my earlier post and spend less time reading agendas from "reporters" and "journalists".
Your version has been roundly debunked by everyone except the moronic state politicians and energy companies.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:48 pm to TigerHornII
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I was in touch with people who are actually in the business of energy production that day.
They are covering their incompetent asses.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:51 pm to Auburn1968
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How about building some new gas plants
There are plants being built.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:59 pm to LemmyLives
the Fed discount rate has made projects very expensive and uncertain to investors so they demand higher rates of return on capital (the IRR for projects must be very high to overcome the risk, otherwise they put their money in bonds). The current admin's monetary policy of printing money(T-Bills) has made power generators Boards reluctant to invest in coal/nat gas, but more willing to invest in wind/solar due to incentives, also Black Rock/State Street/ and Vanguards management have put pressure on them as well. So yes, this admin has had a MAJOR impact on Power Generating companies. I haven't even gone into the challenges the admin has put in front of us w/regard to new coal/nat gas plants(i.e. they ain't approving them).
Posted on 8/30/23 at 4:03 pm to Zappas Stache
guess what now powers the pump jacks and natural gas pumps out in West Texas. It ain't diesel motors anymore. The windmills and solar was down, so no natural gas was available.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 4:09 pm to TigerHornII
Peak demand was 77k MW on Feb 16 per the Houston Chronicle.
Wind kicked in a peak of less than 5k MW on that day.
You’re pretty close to correct.
Wind kicked in a peak of less than 5k MW on that day.
You’re pretty close to correct.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 5:26 pm to AllDayEveryDay
quote:Do I trust a major Texas newspaper over ERCOT?
Are you actually telling people to trust the words of a third party, and not the actual source?
Hell yeah.
"Electric Reliability Council of Texas" does win the prize for the most ironic organization name in history.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 5:32 pm to thadcastle
If anything, the supplemental energy produced by windmills and solar has helped the Texas grid keep up with demand.
Stop believing nonsense you read on the internet due to whatever political tribe you follow.
Stop believing nonsense you read on the internet due to whatever political tribe you follow.
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