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re: Emotional Support Animal is not Service Animal

Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:05 pm to
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How do you know what they need?


nobody needs a fricking animal within arms reach 24 hours a day. That's beyond absurd. And if some doctor says so he needs to have his license revoked for stupidity.
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:08 pm to
Agreed. It's like a grown up blankie.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88925 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Mulat

thanks for the response, I've often wondered how that was addressed, I've seen guys enlist during times of peak demand/poor economy that probably would not normally have passed muster, because they had no where else to go, some of these guys would make the Stripes platoon look like a strack squad, and would make you shake your head and hope that these guys are not representative of our front line troops, takes all kinds i guess
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:26 pm to
You are most welcome.

During the Vietnam war there were a group of men who are referred to as the McNamara 100 Thousand. But the truth is is was about 900,000 men.

Because the war was such a political mess here in the U.S. the branches LOWERED their admission criteria. They lowered the required scores on the military entrance exams. Men who were borderline literate, men who never would have been admitted, were admitted. This group was easy to get under the radar. However these men were more vulnerable to many difficulties, psychiatric conditions being one of them.

I know this is long winded but one other thing to consider that is not being spoken about is a condition that is just as serious but is often listed as PTSD and it not. It is a damaged Belief System. In someways this is more disturbing to the individual than PTSD.

Try to imagine that everything you thought was truth is not. Imagine your whole self, your complete personality is anchored to society through your Beliefs, since it really is. When a veteran suffers from a damaged Belief System his outlook is forever changed and failure to address this condition leads to many tragic events.

The VA has yet to comprehend this condition, who knows when it will finally be addressed. Unfortunately since there is no Formal treatment for such a problem they are referred to as READJUSTMENT Problems. Physicians can see something is wrong, having no other diagnosis available they are diagnosed with PTSD. This is why you see the variations in behaviors within this diagnosis, it has become a catch all for other conditions that in fact may be more serious.

Losing one's connection to a society and a country you just risked your life for, Killed other people for, saw your buddy's become wounded and die for is a pretty tough load.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:27 pm to
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It's an epidemic that is slowly creeping into this country. The accommodation for narcissists with their yappy dogs on flights is bullshite. Glad I get to see your dog's a-hole 5 inches from my drink during this 3 hour flight.



If they get these emotional support animals, then I should too. I'm going to go to my doctor in order to fly with my emotional support pelican, and then he'll just roam up and down the aisle engulfing these little yappy worthless service dogs.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 4:39 pm
Posted by armytiger16
Member since Oct 2010
563 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:34 pm to
I'm always amazed at the people who think WWII veterans were tougher than today and had no issues. They dealt with PTSD but it wasn't covered like it is today. There were plenty of wife beating drunks in the greatest generation that needed treatment that didn't exsist.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:34 pm to
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The dog is there to help keep her calm. If she throws herself on the ground, the dog is actually trained to lie on top of her, which eventually suffocates her.


Now that's emotional support. fify
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:37 pm to
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How do you know what they need?



No one NEEDS a yappy Yorkie in their laps for a 3 hour flight. If that's how pussified we've gotten that having a whiny mutt in your lap on a flight is an absolute NEED, then we should just surrender right now.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88925 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:40 pm to
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McNamara 100 Thousand.

remember that well, put a ****** behind the trigger

ETA: also, not a good testament to the people sending them to war
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
7662 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:41 pm to
Exactly. I miss the days of hide your crazy.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:42 pm to
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put a ****** behind the trigger



Not familiar with this phrase?? The McNamara 900,000 allowed them to draft fewer people which is what much of the demonstrations and those leaving the Country for Canada was all about.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88925 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:45 pm to
I believe the phrase was coined because most of McNamara's "100,000" seemed to come from the African American ranks
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:48 pm to
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I'm not call you a pussy but I will call you sheltered. You probably been held up inside your house as a kid and never made to assimilate into society. So now it's too much pressure because you don't know how to do it properly. Do you need a puppy to make you feel better?





Ok.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:50 pm to
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African American ranks



Frankly I worked with as many non-AA who were in McNamara's group as who were. Of course because their literacy was borderline they would do nothing other than carry a weapon, they would never be an aircraft mechanic, air traffic control or other sophisticated jobs.

But I think one of the biggest injustices for African Americans was they were allowed to enlist if they had the Sickle Cell trait because those men cannot develop or contract Malaria. However after honorable service, whether volunteered or where drafted, they were not allowed to RE-enlist because they had the Sickle Cell trait. How is that for being slick.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:51 pm to
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Definitely not attacking people with anxiety, Wooly. I'd be attacking myself. But I don't equate my anxiety to what someone like my son has to go through. And people that do are the ones that piss me off.





Understandable. I've had to get part of my lung removed, my left finger is useless, and I've had my appendix cut out.

I understand the difference between being disabled and just having medical issues. I don't refer to myself as disabled, I'll just let people know that sometimes I can't do the same things they can. Running in the heat/humidity or having any sort of mask on kills me.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88925 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:54 pm to
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. How is that for being slick.

those vets have every right to be bitter as hell, I think that's why we are going overboard to treat every military person, no matter what, as a hero, kind of overcompensation, I think
Posted by drunkenpunkin
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
7662 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:55 pm to
A lot of times, disability is a state of mind. I have an older son with Asperger's. He will straight up tell you he is not disabled. And my little guy who has so many challenges doesn't even know what it means. A kid called him handicapped at school this year and he was confused. He's never heard that in reference to himself and does not see himself that way. People that do with much less to contend with (especially when it is something that can be treated successfully) baffle me.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:55 pm to
i have a friend who got his, so he can bring his dog into bars. He isn't really a friend b.c its a total douche move.

but i have been in at least 3 bars where he has gotten into it with the manager over the topic.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 7/8/14 at 4:59 pm to
There is a process in a successful Con Game called "Cooling Out the Mark"

This is where an unidentified person who is park of the main con convinces the Mark not to report the con to the police, usually this is done through fear or embarrassment. If it is an old person they tell them "If they find out how incompetent you are they will put you in an old folks home and you'll lose your freedom, etc...." The person thinks they are getting honest feedback from a trustworthy person when in fact they are part of the con.

The Vietnam Veteran Outreach Centers started in 1979, later called The Vet Centers, where just that. They were there to help veterans but also they were there to insure that is well trained large group of pissed off combat veterans did not decide to act on their own. I think that is called a compromise.
Posted by brass2mouth
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 5:37 pm to
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But I think one of the biggest injustices for African Americans was they were allowed to enlist if they had the Sickle Cell trait because those men cannot develop or contract Malaria. However after honorable service, whether volunteered or where drafted, they were not allowed to RE-enlist because they had the Sickle Cell trait. How is that for being slick.


not much different than what goes on now. Its cheaper for big Army/AF/Navy/Marines to get rid of you and just roll the next person in than to have a service member not be able to deploy b/c of PTSD.

It was all they preached to us after my 2nd tour, "If you need help, go get it. Nobody is going to judge you for it, in fact we want you to do it."

Then you go see a dr for the help you need, the help they wanted you to get and pushed on you and you hit up personnel and find out your ineligible to reup or cross train to another career field b/c you got help.
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