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Elon Musk: "We are probably living in a Video Game simulation"

Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:08 am
Posted by musick
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:08 am
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Musk, the founder of Tesla and SpaceX (and maybe the inspiration for Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man) told attendees of the Code Conference he thinks there’s a “one in billions” chance we’re actually living in reality. Here’s what he said, courtesy of Vox’s Ezra Klein:

The strongest argument for us being in a simulation probably is the following. Forty years ago we had pong. Like two rectangles and a dot. That was what games were.

Now, forty years later, we have photorealistic, 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously and it’s getting better every year. Soon we’ll have virtual reality, augmented reality.

If you assume any rate of improvement at all, then the games will become indistinguishable from reality, even if that rate of advancement drops by a thousand from what it is now. Then you just say, okay, let’s imagine it’s 10,000 years in the future, which is nothing on the evolutionary scale.

So given that we’re clearly on a trajectory to have games that are indistinguishable from reality, and those games could be played on any set-top box or on a PC or whatever, and there would probably be billions of such computers or set-top boxes, it would seem to follow that the odds that we’re in base reality is one in billions.

Tell me what’s wrong with that argument. Is there a flaw in that argument?


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This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 9:11 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:09 am to
Dude is losing his touch on reality.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:10 am to
Most really smart folks are nearly insane, right?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:11 am to
This isn't exactly a new theory.
Posted by ctiger69
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:11 am to

Posted by DollaChoppa
I Simp for ACC
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:11 am to
Sounds like something most 12 year olds video game nerds are able to ponder as well
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38164 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:11 am to
So Steph really is a cheat code
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:13 am to
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Dude is losing his touch on reality.


He's sending people to Mars in 2024.
Posted by rintintin
Life is Life
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:14 am to
It's one of those arguments that can't be disproved or proved. I like Elon Musk, and nobody can deny he's a genius, but he's just trying to be edgy and make people think with this line of thought. I don't think he really believes it.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:15 am to
quote:

he thinks there’s a “one in billions” chance we’re actually living in reality.


Maybe true for him.
Posted by musick
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:15 am to
quote:

This isn't exactly a new theory.


quote:

Musk certainly isn’t the first person to come up with the argument. As Klein notes, it’s spelled out in a paper by Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom who happens to be one of Silicon Valley’s favorite philosophers and sources of thought experiments. Bostrom is famous for his research into so-called existential risk and his latest book, Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies talks about all the ways that a powerful AI could take us all out.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10356 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:16 am to
Modern humans have been on earth for 200,000 years and only have evolved into the computer age for last 50 years.

I guess he is saying aliens in a more advanced society are playing us as a game?
Posted by EyeoftheEldrick12
Member since Jul 2012
1949 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:16 am to
Nothing about my outdoor lifestyle is a video game simulation. I'll be just fine
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:17 am to
What he is failing to account for is basic human evolution. We always take one step forward, and three steps back. The Romans were operating on people. Then the Middle Ages came roaring in, and people were shitting in the streets. We are just a likely to be living in stick huts again in a few hundred years.
Posted by TexasTiger90
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3576 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:17 am to
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Most really smart folks are nearly insane, right?

Ladies and Gentlemen of the OT, I give you:
Howard Hughes


John Nash
Posted by musick
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Member since Dec 2008
26126 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Modern humans have been on earth for 200,000 years and only have evolved into the computer age for last 50 years.

I guess he is saying aliens in a more advanced society are playing us as a game?


If you subscribe to this theory then time doesn't really play a part. Our entire history, historical data and events would have been simulated to give us a history.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:19 am to


Classic Gavin!
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:19 am to
RA'd for move to gaming board.
Posted by musick
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Member since Dec 2008
26126 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:20 am to
quote:

What he is failing to account for is basic human evolution. We always take one step forward, and three steps back. The Romans were operating on people. Then the Middle Ages came roaring in, and people were shitting in the streets. We are just a likely to be living in stick huts again in a few hundred years.


He didn't fail to account for that. I agree with your evolution pattern but the invention of the computer microprocessor altered the course of evolution. It won't be like that anymore to that extent.
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
67302 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:22 am to
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Dude is losing his touch on reality.



Not really.

This has been an idea for a while. They don't use the term video game, they say simulation or even hologram.
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