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re: Elon asks M Cuban when 'short white/Asian women' will play for the Mavs due to DEI
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:26 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:26 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Ah, I gotcha,
You can pull out 1000 references that I will tell you I don't agree with. Doesn't mean there aren't good tenets behind the idea.
You only support discrimination in “certain” situations.
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Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:28 pm to stout
Elon can buy and sell Mark Cuban on any given Tuesday.
You have do be conceited (and stupid) to frick with the richest dude in the world.
You have do be conceited (and stupid) to frick with the richest dude in the world.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:29 pm to shel311
quote:
Are you hiring him solely because he has a degree, or because you think he's the one candidate who will do the best job in that role?
Im hiring the guy who made it to the finish line while you are still waiting on him to finish, and most likely never will.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:30 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
The caveat people are missing isn't that they shouldn't be hiring unqualified people.
but they do it all the time
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:30 pm to Scruffy
Notice he never says discrimination and racism is wrong, just that if it fits your needs, go for it (except White and Asian people of course)
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:32 pm to TigerCoon
quote:I agree with Elon in this situation but this is odd. Elon is a dude, he's not always right and just because he's Elon does not mean he should never be called out.
Elon can buy and sell Mark Cuban on any given Tuesday.
You have do be conceited (and stupid) to frick with the richest dude in the world.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:32 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
Cuban didn't say hire unqualified people
If you hire the MOST qualified person, DEI is meaningless and unneeded, no?
You and Mark are hypocrites.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:33 pm to fightin tigers
quote:The way I know it works, it does. DEI came from CRT, which preaches tokenism, or 'affirmative action' without regard to merit. I'm sure you've heard the one about how 'meritocracy' is racist.
The way you think it works it does.
If you want to read up on it, CRT writer Duncan Kennedy has written extensively on the subject.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:34 pm to dgnx6
quote:I'll ask you again, are you hiring the guy who you think will do the best job in that role, yes or no?
Im hiring the guy who made it to the finish line
quote:That doesn't sound like the guy who will do the best in that role, so not sure why you'd think I'd hire that person? I've been pretty adamant I'd do the exact opposite.
while you are still waiting on him to finish, and most likely never will.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:35 pm to Scruffy
In my opinion, you can pull off plenty of the tenets of DEI while not being discriminatory. I know it is outrageous to even think.
The ideas should be in every manager's mind already. Look for talent where others aren't. Look for an edge where everyone is doing the same thing.
In my opinion, if you are using racial hiring metrics to satisfy your DEI then you lost sight of why it should be important.
The ideas should be in every manager's mind already. Look for talent where others aren't. Look for an edge where everyone is doing the same thing.
In my opinion, if you are using racial hiring metrics to satisfy your DEI then you lost sight of why it should be important.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:37 pm to shel311
I am not saying he should or shouldn't. I just think it takes brass balls to do it. He seems to have a long memory.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:40 pm to TigerCoon
quote:That's fair.
I am not saying he should or shouldn't. I just think it takes brass balls to do it. He seems to have a long memory
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:44 pm to fightin tigers
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Look for talent where others aren't.
Do you think Indeed filters based on race, gender, and whether or not you identify as a squirrel? Or are you implying that internet job classifieds are not available in some communities?
There are already laws in place that prevent the "discrimination" your DEI "attempts" to hedge against.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:51 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
In my opinion, if you are using racial hiring metrics to satisfy your DEI then you lost sight of why it should be important.
That is the most important tenet of DEI though
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:55 pm to ETxTgr
My company spent a lot of money hiring DEI people. There was a huge round of layoffs recently, including HR, and guess what group was spared? Of course.
We are now obligated to attend so many DEI sessions every quarter. In each session, they spend an inordinate amount of time reminding everyone who has "privilege", who doesn't, how to "unpack it" and "stay grounded" for exercises where we are told if we fit in one group, we are racist, sexist, whatever.
After all of that, we are then reminded each session that we are still going to hire the most qualified person, but we also need to push people in these groups to parts of the hiring process even if they aren't qualified. We also get audited on how many minorities are put through parts of the process.
Fortunately for me, this company includes ALL races (outside of white) as diverse....for now. I expect that to change in the next few years as well. I've been at places where we were flat out told there was only "one" minority.
We are now obligated to attend so many DEI sessions every quarter. In each session, they spend an inordinate amount of time reminding everyone who has "privilege", who doesn't, how to "unpack it" and "stay grounded" for exercises where we are told if we fit in one group, we are racist, sexist, whatever.
After all of that, we are then reminded each session that we are still going to hire the most qualified person, but we also need to push people in these groups to parts of the hiring process even if they aren't qualified. We also get audited on how many minorities are put through parts of the process.
Fortunately for me, this company includes ALL races (outside of white) as diverse....for now. I expect that to change in the next few years as well. I've been at places where we were flat out told there was only "one" minority.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:56 pm to stout
Elon Musk is my favorite African American.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:01 pm to goofball
DEI is sanctioned racism.
I believe that the term you are looking for is "systemic racism."
I believe that the term you are looking for is "systemic racism."
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:02 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
In my opinion, you can pull off plenty of the tenets of DEI while not being discriminatory. I know it is outrageous to even think.
Except that is not what is happening. Not even close.
quote:
Look for talent where others aren't. Look for an edge where everyone is doing the same thing.
This goes without saying. This isn't some magical breakthrough statement.
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In my opinion, if you are using racial hiring metrics to satisfy your DEI then you lost sight of why it should be important.
Oh my goodness. The literal definition of useful idiot.
You missed a corner on that window you are licking. Make sure you go back and get it.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:06 pm to ETxTgr
quote:
Do you think Indeed filters based on race, gender, and whether or not you identify as a squirrel? Or are you implying that internet job classifieds are not available in some communities?
No, but job fairs and internships are examples of advantages historically were not as accessible to some as others.
I won't say those were "denied" because it seems to imply malicious intent. But it does represent that exploring other areas (and by result other groups) can prove fruitful.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:07 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
No, but job fairs
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were not as accessible to some as others.
Black people were turned away at the doors of job fairs in the past?
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