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re: Elon asks M Cuban when 'short white/Asian women' will play for the Mavs due to DEI

Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:24 pm to
Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
1301 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:24 pm to
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DEI goal is not to force someone to hire a less qualified individual. Despite what you KNOW and have been told.



Semantics and you KNOW it. There are plenty of people who want to FORCE companies to have a diverse workplace in terms of minorities and women. Whether they use the word FORCE or not is irrelevant.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182455 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:30 pm to
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Elon is grasping at straws with that.





If Lebron had said it you would be here touting it as the greatest comeback ever.

You are a functioning retard much like Lebron
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 6:30 pm
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
9025 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:35 pm to
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"find the employees that will put your business in the best possible position to succeed"


Too bad that policy wasn't used when picking out the Vice President of the USA...
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:36 pm to
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Semantics and you KNOW it. There are plenty of people who want to FORCE companies to have a diverse workplace in terms of minorities and women. Whether they use the word FORCE or not is irrelevant


It's not semantics though. It villianized an entire vetting process that gets good results. Our tax dollars would go way further supporting DEI programs than they ever will just being handed out in lieu of those programs.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42293 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:37 pm to
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The way you think it works it does.


I have been in meetings with HR and upper management and it works exactly how the poster you are replying to thinks it works.

You are the one who is mistaken. I work in a field where 13% of all college graduates in the degrees we typically hire are female, but there are people in the organization that want 50% female workforce.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:37 pm to
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Too bad that policy wasn't used when picking out the Vice President of the USA...


If the campaign was the business then I would say the hire was perfect. A job role description might not always be what it is on the surface.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42293 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:37 pm to
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She wasn't qualified to run a frozen banana stand


The money is in the banana stand.
Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
1301 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:41 pm to
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I work in a field where 13% of all college graduates in the degrees we typically hire are female, but there are people in the organization that want 50% female workforce.


Are you in a STEM field? I bet if you looked at the engineering workforces of Tesla and SpaceX, probably the 2 most advanced engineering companies on the planet, you'd find it's over 90% male at least. The simple fact is that diversity is not a strength. It's been proven.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112894 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:59 pm to
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what if every person you thought would do the best in the roles for which you were hiring happened to be white US-born males?

would you hire them all anyway, because they were the best person for each job based on your personal opinion?
Yes

My counter question to you, what if every person that was actually the best for that given role, not just my opinion, was a white US born male?

Or, what if hiring is a joint decision of department heads of different racial backgrounds and they all come to the conclusion that from interviews, all of the white US born males were the best fits for the job?

Should I hire all white US born males or not?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:00 pm to
86/14. 50% white.

Pretty surprising really.
Posted by Scuttle But
Member since Nov 2023
1301 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:05 pm to
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86/14. 50% white.

Pretty surprising really


Which part?
Posted by PGAOLDBawNeVaBroke
Member since Dec 2023
1051 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:05 pm to
You think that’s how it plays out in real life? It becomes a race to the bottom, whole agencies are created to enforce it. Also, many of these people are untouchable in the corporate world, managers and the business at large become afraid of disciplining them or firing them or else they are racist.

Cmon, you’re walking around blind without a cane.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41023 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:07 pm to
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DEI goal is not to force someone to hire a less qualified individual. Despite what you KNOW and have been told.



You don't even believe that.

Remember when all the civil rights and affirmative action laws were passed and we were assured that no quotas were being enacted?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65858 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:08 pm to
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Just don't think the entire premise is flawed


The entire premise is racist, so...of course it's flawed.
Posted by Marshhen
Port Eads
Member since Nov 2018
1044 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:15 pm to
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DEI goal is not to force someone to hire a less qualified individual. Despite what you KNOW and have been told.


Then why does Cuban need DEI at all if the intent is to hire the most qualified candidate? Are you implying that Mark Cuban is racist and needs to be reminded that he apparently doesn’t grade diverse the same as Asians and Whites?
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:21 pm to
My former company went all in on DEI bullshite and then guilt tripped everyone for not participating. Told them to frick themselves and now I’m happily with a company that will never fall for that bullshite. Screw having an obese disheveled tranny forced on your department.
Posted by Cajun Tifoso
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2010
2726 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:27 pm to
DEI is an intellectual death sentence
Posted by ZIGG
Member since Dec 2016
12044 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:35 pm to
Cuban wrong again and being a left wing puppet as usual…. He isn’t some business guru or genius like most of the general public are told to believe. He essentially got lucky and won a multi-billion dollar lottery to gain his fortune.

Sure it took some skill to build a website that broadcasted the audio of college basketball games… but he doesn’t have some genius mind like Elon does.

One broadcasted the audio of basketball games on a website that was closed down almost immediately by the buyer (Yahoo)…the other builds rockets, electric cars, and underground tunnels…. who should we listen to about topics like this again?… yea, the latter.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:38 pm to
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Then why does Cuban need DEI at all if the intent is to hire the most qualified candidate? Are you implying that Mark Cuban is racist and needs to be reminded that he apparently doesn’t grade diverse the same as Asians and Whites?
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Then why does Cuban need DEI at all if the intent is to hire the most qualified candidate? Are you implying that Mark Cuban is racist and needs to be reminded that he apparently doesn’t grade diverse the same as Asians and Whites?


Did you read the dudes tweet? He explains why it helps.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78424 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:42 pm to
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Remember when all the civil rights and affirmative action laws were passed and we were assured that no quotas were being enacted?


There will be companies who enact quotas and such. Can't prevent it. Like I said, bad move for your overall org when that happens.
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