re: EDIT: Should employees be allowed unpaid leave if their work is covered?

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If I have some one put in for vacation while I am interviewing them they probably won't be getting the job. You have to put your time in first.

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Does McDonalds give vacation, or do your employees usually just manipulate the schedule when they need time off?

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And gets paid shite.

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This definitely does not apply to all state jobs, but it's cute to say I guess

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If I hire a recent college grad with no experience then they earn 2 weeks after year one.

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Willing to bet that not one of them will last a year and try to get out of there as soon as possible.

For all you know, they could be much smarter and more valuable than someone with experience.

That's interesting. I've hired three college grads and they are still with me. One for 7 years, one for 6 and the other for 4. I had one leave because his wife took a job out of state, but we are still on good terms.

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For all you know, they could be much smarter and more valuable than someone with experience.

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The ignorance and arrogance in this post is colossal. You don't know how much you don't know. How long have you been working?

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That's interesting. I've hired three college grads in the and they are still with me. One for 7 years, one for 6 and the other for 4.

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That still says to me that you don't value your employees as people who deserve trust until they betray it. What if they have an annual trip with their family that he's made every year since he was 5? If he's been with you for 5 months and has done a good job, do you just say "Screw you, you're still on the clock"?

A good manager shouldn't have to shove hours down their throat and force them to stay there. A good manager should be a partner who goes to bat for his employees and wants them to be happy, so long as they do their job. There's no way your employees didn't highly resent you for not allowing them to have one day off for an entire year.

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The ignorance and arrogance in this post is colossal. You don't know how much you don't know. How long have you been working?

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I've been in the workforce for about 5 years. One of the more brilliant guys I've met in my years was a recent college grad who was a Grade-A Bullshitter (a compliment BTW), he founded a music record company on the side, and he got in the Top 10% of sales his first year.

So no, while experience is more often than not a better indicator if someone is more qualified for the job, it's no guarantee. You treat your employees by their output, not the fact that they've only been employed by you for 7 months and just got out of college. That's a terrible way to run a company.

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Get back to me when you have covered a payroll and have people depending on you for their livelihood. You are making a lot of assumptions. If an employee comes to me and has a special request for some time off, we can work with them. A good employee will already have the solution worked out by offering to work over or do some extra things to take off for something special. It doesn't have to be adversarial, but earning your vacation is still pretty much the standard in US companies.

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I don't buy the bullshite that letting an employee take two days off is going to ruin your company. If that will break your bank, then there is clearly something wrong with the way the company is managed, not that employee. What kind of business do you run, since I can only fathom that it mostly involves low skilled labor where you can find someone the next day to replace someone?

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Why hire someone if them not being there will not be missed?

Yeah, they are all unskilled college grads with business and engineering majors. Bunch of mouth breathers making bank.

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Thank you for confirming to me that you don't value your employees as people. I bet your employees would be thrilled if they knew you called them a "bunch of mouth breathers" behind their back.

That's what you called them. "Unskilled"

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Your attitude is prevalent these days among the college grads. It's all about them and what they get rather than what they can do to add value to the company.

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No, it's a two way street. You need to convince the employee as well in what value you bring to their life. Why should they want to work for you? How will my life be better if I work for your company? If you're going to tell me that I'm not going to be able to take vacations for a whole year, then unless I and my family are about to starve, there's no way in hell I'd take that job if there were other options on the table.

Yes, it is my responsibility to add value to the company, and if I'm adding value, why shouldn't I get the benefit of the doubt? As I said, a good manager should be more like a partner. He's there to help you and you're there to help him. You both make each other's lives easier. That is the optimal relationship between an employee and his employer. If a manager has no respect for my time, then that creates a toxic relationship. If he's adding value to your company, then you should allow him time off so he feels more valued as an employee.