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re: Earn $50/hr teaching people to drive a manual transmission
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:45 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:45 am to JohnnyKilroy
It amazes me that people don’t know how to use MS-DOS.
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:46 am to WaltTeevens
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don't think it's that amazing at all. Just percentages.
This. I can't remember the last time I even saw a manual transmission.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:53 am to DarthRebel
Buy an old Nissan, Toyota, Chevy S-10, Mazda B200, or Mitsubishi small truck.
Lowride that sucker that way they learn in style with boom box.
Cheap to drop a tranny and fix a clutch.
Teach them how to drive a shifter in style.
Sad part is I saw a Mississippi Antique license plate on a mid 80’s S-10 the other day. What the heck man.
Lowride that sucker that way they learn in style with boom box.
Cheap to drop a tranny and fix a clutch.
Teach them how to drive a shifter in style.
Sad part is I saw a Mississippi Antique license plate on a mid 80’s S-10 the other day. What the heck man.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 9:03 am to johnnyrocket
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Sad part is I saw a Mississippi Antique license plate on a mid 80’s S-10 the other day. What the heck man.
Many states have antique plates for anything 25 years or older.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:24 am to Obtuse1
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The main advantages of a manual transmission are emotional.
Well 80% plus of Europeans & a majority of Germans , are very emotional since they prefer ' outdated' manuals. Most new car purschases are " emotional" . People pay exorbitant prices for unneeded new cars for badges , exclusivity,status, etc.....
What's really emotional is the folk who have the constant need to chime in when a person prefers a certain option on their cars. I've never seen people get as opinionated about any other option other than which transmission someone prefers. It's fascinating.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 10:29 am to sugar71
Yes, and i think it would be fascinating to see the breakdown of which posters in this thread have ever, or even know how, to drive a stick.
My guess is that most of the posters here talking about how outdated and archaic manual transmissions are have zero clue how to drive one.. i’m guessing that most of us who think that vehicles with manual transmissions are a fun, viable form of transportation have owned them, or at least know how to drive them.. funny how that works.
My guess is that most of the posters here talking about how outdated and archaic manual transmissions are have zero clue how to drive one.. i’m guessing that most of us who think that vehicles with manual transmissions are a fun, viable form of transportation have owned them, or at least know how to drive them.. funny how that works.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:03 am to sugar71
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Well 80% plus of Europeans & a majority of Germans , are very emotional since they prefer ' outdated' manuals
There are a couple of differences that make the Europen's decision one based more in logic. Their fuel prices are high enough that a majority of people buy small-displacement low HP small cars (road width in some areas also leads to smaller cars) these cars work better with manual transmission. The driveline losses with a torque convertor based manual steal valuable power, they are also heavier. DCTs would pair well with the engines but they come with a pretty hefty price penalty.
I still maintain manuals are "outdated" in that newer TC based automatic transmission and DCTs simply perform better, the advantages in performance that manuals used to have now been turned to a disadvantage. GM has said that on the C8 the 0-60 penalty with a manual tranny would be close to a second.
I have zero issues with people choosing a manual transmission, about 3% of people do in the US. You could go back and look at my posting history on multiple car forums 12-13 years ago and see me flying the manual flag (for performance cars) in the intervening time I have been converted, largely because the performance disparity has increased and the issues with shifting while driving around town have been solved.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:21 am to Sweltering Chill
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Yes, and i think it would be fascinating to see the breakdown of which posters in this thread have ever, or even know how, to drive a stick.
My guess is that most of the posters here talking about how outdated and archaic manual transmissions are have zero clue how to drive one.. i’m guessing that most of us who think that vehicles with manual transmissions are a fun, viable form of transportation have owned them, or at least know how to drive them.. funny how that works.
I can't speak to anyone else but I have driven most every type of performance transmission you will find in a car. Dog boxes, SMG, DCT (PDK), slush boxes of all sorts, Lenco, Liberty, Jerico, GForce et al as well as manual gearbox cars with organic, ceramic and kevlar clutches. In every case (save for certain situations when using a tranny without an adjustable stall converter) they all produced better performance than a manual in their place.
That is why I say it is primarily and emotional choice. There is no question manuals add a different level of engagement and can be more satisfying. I find not spending the bandwidth on manual shifting (as small as it may be) actually increases my connection with the road. Manual shifting adds a variable with each shift that causes the chassis to react slightly differently each time.
All that said I still own one manual car, an M3, and I still love to drive it on the street and on the track.
Now I think it would be fascinating to see the breakdown of which posters in this thread have ever, or even know how to link three perfectly matched heel and toe downshifts coming into a curve while under full braking.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:28 am to JohnnyKilroy
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How does that amaze you? Serious question.
Because it is so easy. I picked it up in 5 minutes. You have a clutch and shift lever. It is simple
Posted on 8/4/19 at 11:53 am to Obtuse1
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still maintain manuals are "outdated" in that newer TC based automatic transmission and DCTs simply perform better, the advantages in performance that manuals used to have now been turned to a disadvantage. GM has said that on the C8 the 0-60 penalty with a manual tranny would be close to a second.
Most manual drivers don't care about speed: it's the pleasure of rowing one's own gears.
1) 0-60 or 0-100 in seconds will probably end up with me ,the driver, in jail. These cars can't be driven to their extremes on the street & I can't afford to track a brand new $70,000 plus car.
2) I have no interest in endangering other divers on the street or going to jail. 55 mph - 75 mph will be most anyone ever drive these cars ( 98% of the time). (I may occasionally open it up on a desolate stretch of interstate highway with no other cars around).
Posted on 8/4/19 at 12:03 pm to Obtuse1
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There are a couple of differences that make the Europen's decision one based more in logic. Their fuel prices are high enough that a majority of people buy small-displacement low HP small cars (road width in some areas also leads to smaller cars) these cars work better with manual transmission. The driveline losses with a torque convertor based manual steal valuable power, they are also heavier. DCTs would pair well with the engines but they come with a pretty hefty price penalty.
So manual transmissions aren't just an " emotional" purchase ,but there are actual practical reasons as well?
Manuals have a lower price( in general) , bulletproof , simpler design / easiar to work on by my shade tree mechanic or if I'm a tinkerer, push start, etc.....
I don't care that people choose an automatic ,but the option for a manual dying is disappointing.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 12:42 pm to sugar71
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So manual transmissions aren't just an " emotional" purchase ,but there are actual practical reasons as well?
Yes, and if you look at my first post I said the main reasons, not the only reasons and many of the practical reasons rely on the different conditions in Europe or for people in the US looking for the lowest priced car period.
I stand by my assertion that manual tranny choice is the US is primarily emotional like you said some people like to row their own. In the end, manual transmissions are an anachronism. Nothing wrong with having them, as I said I have one in the garage, plus I am a big fan of mechanical watches which are also outdated and as much as I appreciate them I can't argue that they are inferior from a timekeeping point of view to quartz, HAQ and atomic clock linked watches.
There are still options for manuals and they are in some of the best chassis to have fun in, BMW M2/M4, Porsche 911/718, Fiat 124, Miata MX5, Toyota BRZ, Volkswagen GTI and Subaru STI.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 12:43 pm to sugar71
Good news for you:
BMW M Boss Confirms 480 HP and 510 HP, AWD and RWD For New M3, Manual
The news of my "manual" demise is greatly exaggerated
BMW M Boss Confirms 480 HP and 510 HP, AWD and RWD For New M3, Manual
The news of my "manual" demise is greatly exaggerated
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:13 pm to sugar71
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Most new car purschases are " emotional"
Most new car purchases are moderately optioned pick up trucks, midsized crossovers and camrys. There's nothing emotional about those purchases.
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What's really emotional is the folk who have the constant need to chime in when a person prefers a certain option on their cars.
You're describing the "manual or nothing" crowd. I agree that it's weird.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:18 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Because it is so easy. I picked it up in 5 minutes. You have a clutch and shift lever. It is simple
And it's even easier to drive an automatic, which is one of the reasons nearly everyone opts for automatic vs. manual (in the US).
Just because something is easy to pick up or simple doesn't make it amazing that the majority of the population doesn't know how to do it. I could probably figure out how to use a lot of older technology in less time than it took you to learn how to pull away in first without stalling. It still wouldn't amaze me that the average person in 2019 wouldn't innately know how to do it or care to learn.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:37 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You're describing the "manual or nothing" crowd. I agree that it's weird.
In just a few years they'll all be in nursing homes with their licenses taken away.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:40 pm to VetteGuy
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BMW M Boss Confirms 480 HP and 510 HP, AWD and RWD For New M3, Manual
In one of the other articles in the new M3/4 cars it had this quote which used my mechanical watch analogy:
Markus Flasch (head of BMW M):
“The manual stick shift is not a performance-bringer, because an automatic transmission is just faster, you can ask any race driver. But it gives the vehicle character and I kind of compare it to people who love mechanical watches; it isn’t more precise and it doesn’t have any advantage at all but it’s a character feature. So is a stick shift.”
Posted on 8/4/19 at 1:43 pm to Obtuse1
Great analogy.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 2:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Most new car purchases are moderately optioned pick up trucks, midsized crossovers and camrys. There's nothing emotional about those purchases.
And many people cannot afford or shouldn't buy these new " moderately optioned " brand new cars because they like the new car smell. There are much cheaper / used options for practical purposes. And never forget the badge chasers who want exclusivity/ status.
I have seen few here say ' manual or die" ,but it seems some people insist on chiming in on another person's car options. Are you this argumentative about leather seats, Convertible ,front wheel drive, 4 door vs 2 doors, navigation,sunroof ,touchscreen , sports packages, etc.... ?
But many come out of the woodwork when someone says "I prefer a manual transmission" . A none issue in Europe where " outdated" options like manuals are overwhelmingly preferred( for now).
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/4/19 at 2:26 pm to sugar71
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But many come out of the woodwork when someone says "I prefer a manual transmission"
Wait a few days and post a thread about preferring automatic to manual and that you'd never choose a manual car. I guarantee most of the responses will be that you're a lazy, stupid millennial with a few "this is why this country has gone to shite" posts sprinkled in.
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And many people cannot afford or shouldn't buy these new " moderately optioned " brand new cars because they like the new car smell. There are much cheaper / used options for practical purposes. And never forget the badge chasers who want exclusivity/ status.
Look, if you are of the opinion that the vast VAST majority of new car purchases are anything more than a person buying a "tool" to get them from A to B with enough space for whatever amount of stuff they like to transport, we can just disagree and move on.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 2:29 pm
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