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re: Dr. Jason Karp shows the difference between Canada's Fruit Loop Cereal and America's
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:38 am to Clockwatcher68
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:38 am to Clockwatcher68
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there sure are a bunch of apologists for giant food corporations on tigerdroppings. They would put nicotine in cereal if they could get away with it.
It's any megacorp. I'll never understand it.
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:40 am to GumboPot
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Fructose has a much higher propensity to be lipogenic (fat creation).
Glucose has a much higher propensity to be burned for energy.
well dietary fat is by far the easiest macro to store as body fat
how come those that go on a low carb high fat diet seem to lose body fat?
because its lower calories
and why do those that eat lots of fruit tend to have lower amounts of bodyfat? why is fruitose only bad when its hfcs?
its not that its hfcs its because hfcs is mainly found in foods that do not have any nutritional value for the most part and are not satiating in any form.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:40 am to Dire Wolf
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my kid prefers these to goldfish. 5g protein, 0g sugar and 4g fiber. Just an example of the strides the market has made to compete with the slop.
You might want to read the ingredient label. Hopefully he's just eating a serving because it's not low in calories or carbs. Is it better than goldfish? probably. But at this point it's hard to tell. They're made to look like green peas that are dehydrated and just salted. It's a big illusion.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:40 am to lsu777
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na im just of the opinion that most people dont give a frick no matter what we do. if they change it and its healthier as far as chemicals go...it wont matter...people will still be getting fat AF and eat too many calories, not enough protein and will still not exercise or even walk
I’m not personally concerned with people being fat.
I’m concerned with companies making well-intentioned people cancerous and gay with chemicals we didn’t know were in foods they seemingly shouldn’t be in
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:42 am to lsu777
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and i guess im jaded...most people are just not going to care no matter what imo
That's the problem. We are 80 years into this post WWII industrialization of every facet of life and turning the ship at this point is nigh impossible. We the people have been given over to Wall Street and whoever else will line a pocket. Our entire society is built upon sustaining big business and not actually living.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:42 am to lsu777
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maybe eventually but there will always be outlets for healthy food for people like me
You do realize “just go to a farm or kill a deer” is an unreasonable and unserious solution at scale, yeah?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:42 am to Dire Wolf
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my kid prefers these to goldfish. 5g protein, 0g sugar and 4g fiber. Just an example of the strides the market has made to compete with the slop.
i mean prolly better than goldfish but plant protein overall is crap, just an fyi
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:43 am to Dire Wolf
The Boulder Canyon Avocado Oil chips I eat are eye opening when you compare to regular chips ingredients.
I can't get a clear screenshot but this is Zapps
And the Boulder Canyon taste awesome.
I can't get a clear screenshot but this is Zapps
And the Boulder Canyon taste awesome.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:44 am to lsu777
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and i agree that hcfs is not good for you...i just think average american would just replace the calories with something else
Some "calories" are worse than others.
Like I said, fructose has a very high propensity of turning into fat in the liver. And it the worse kind of fat. Visceral fat (as opposed to subcutaneous). This is not the case with glucose. The cell will metabolize glucose immediately and very little gets stored as fat. Fructose is metabolized like ethanol in the liver. But at least you get immediate feedback from ethanol. We get very little feedback from fructose except the immediate, damn this taste good.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:44 am to Hester Carries
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You do realize “just go to a farm or kill a deer” is an unreasonable and unserious solution at scale, yeah?
no we agree there. i was saying...im not gonig to worry to try and find a solution to a problem that does not even exist yet
everyone can find meat, real meat. you are worried about something that you think may happen in the future, and i was saying if something like that does happen....i will be fine
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:45 am to Ryan3232
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The bigger question is: At what age do young people start preferring cocaine over sugar?
Need any help applying for the federal research grants for the sorely needed study?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:47 am to lsu777
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i mean prolly better than goldfish but plant protein overall is crap, just an fyi
My point is that it’s not the 90s anymore
You can actually find decent stuff in the store. Generally, still a good idea to stay away from the middle of the store
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:49 am to GumboPot
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Some "calories" are worse than others.
gotcha
no they arent
we have dozens upon dozens of studies that show once calories and protein are equated...the rest doesnt matter
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Like I said, fructose has a very high propensity of turning into fat in the liver. And it the worse kind of fat. Visceral fat (as opposed to subcutaneous). This is not the case with glucose. The cell will metabolize glucose immediately and very little gets stored as fat. Fructose is metabolized like ethanol in the liver. But at least you get immediate feedback from ethanol. We get very little feedback from fructose except the immediate, damn this taste good.
majoring in the minors and that is not what the studies show at all.
once calories and protein are equated, we lose bodyfat at the same rate
dont take this as me being arrogant please or being an a-hole, but i promise...unless you have a doctorate in nutrition and study 6-8 hours a day...i have more experience and education on this. go read my post on the H&F board if you do not believe me.
you are worrying about stuff that matters to about 1% of the population. 99% is determined by calories and protein
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:49 am to Dire Wolf
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My point is that it’s not the 90s anymore
You can actually find decent stuff in the store. Generally, still a good idea to stay away from the middle of the store
100% agree
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:51 am to lsu777
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how come those that go on a low carb high fat diet seem to lose body fat?
because its lower calories
Could be lower calories but I suspect there are fewer molecules available for de novo lipogenesis (new fat making).
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and why do those that eat lots of fruit tend to have lower amounts of bodyfat? why is fruitose only bad when its hfcs?
Fructose in fruits are not as bioavailable in fruits because those molecules are surrounded by fiber (cellulose). You taste the fructose in your mouth through chewing and breaking the fibers. Most of the fruit passes your digestive tract without releasing all of its fructose. And if and when the fructose is released via the digestive tract it is released at a slow rate thus avoiding an insulin spike.
HFCS has zero fiber. Insulin response to HFCS is massive. Then fat storage ensues.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:52 am to Hester Carries
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I’m not personally concerned with people being fat.
I’m concerned with companies making well-intentioned people cancerous and gay with chemicals we didn’t know were in foods they seemingly shouldn’t be in
i agree but we have plenty of choices for people to eat well now. more so than any other time in history. also have more choices to eat unhealthy
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:53 am to GumboPot
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Fructose has a much higher propensity to be lipogenic (fat creation).
Glucose has a much higher propensity to be burned for energy.
You are so bent out of shape about HFCS. There's not a damn thing really that has HFCS that should be eaten in the first place even if you replaced it with sugar. The HFCS is part of the problem but the bigger issue is eating whatever has it anytime.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:53 am to GumboPot
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Fructose in fruits are not as bioavailable in fruits because those molecules are surrounded by fiber (cellulose). You taste the fructose in your mouth through chewing and breaking the fibers. Most of the fruit passes your digestive tract without releasing all of its fructose. And if and when the fructose is released via the digestive tract it is released at a slow rate thus avoiding an insulin spike.
HFCS has zero fiber. Insulin response to HFCS is massive. Then fat storage ensues.
again none of that matters. once calories and protein are equated...we lose bodyfat at the same rate...no matter if the rest of the calories come from hfcs or from fruit or from animal fat
Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:54 am to lsu777
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dont take this as me being arrogant please or being an a-hole, but i promise...unless you have a doctorate in nutrition and study 6-8 hours a day...i have more experience and education on this. go read my post on the H&F board if you do not believe me.
you are worrying about stuff that matters to about 1% of the population. 99% is determined by calories and protein
Then what is the lowest hanging fruit to make America healthy?
Why was the population so much skinnier before the 90s?
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