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re: Does This Look Like The Face Of A Criminal To You?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:11 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:11 am to Darth_Vader
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But you've also made it very clear you've completely bought into the Vet's version of events
I haven't completely bought into anything. I think it's much more likely than the kid did no provoking.
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You've picked sides on this issue when, if you were to look at the issue objectively, you'd see that there is no way for any of us to know what actually happened.
The side I picked is the more likely side.
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r. You've been very vocal about holding the babysitter responsible but have been silent about the vet's failure.
When something happens to the babysitter for negligence, I'll not object to the vet being held accountable. But since that won't happen, I'd rather see no one held accountable if both aren't.
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The truth of the matter is you've allowing your emotions when it comes to dogs dictate your stance on this issue. And that's fine, just be honest about it though please.
No, I'm allowing my experiences watching small kids do things they shouldn't affect how I view this.
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:12 am to TheCaterpillar
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If someone is on my property BEATING my dog, its my fault if my dog bites them?
Here's the quote again:
I suggest you do some research on the dog bite liability laws. I'm not trying to argue what's right or wrong, only what the law says. And in many, if not most, states, anytime your dog bites someone, you will be held legally accountable for that dog's actions.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:12 am to TheCaterpillar
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If my dog is pestered by a kid and cornered and it snaps on him I can be sued for everything I own for "emotional distress", etc.
That's not true. But I'm glad you listen to Walton and Johnson.
And why was your dog alone with some unknown kid?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:12 am to GCTIDER
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If he would have bitten my child, I would have killed him on the spot.
What if, and this is hypothetical, your kid was being a little fricktard and antagonizing and cornering the dog before it bit him?
This happened to me and my dad simply said "that's why you never pull on a dog's tail".
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:13 am to Darth_Vader
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I suggest you do some research on the dog bite liability laws. I'm not trying to argue what's right or wrong, only what the law says. And in many, if not most, states, anytime your dog bites someone, you will be held legally accountable for that dog's actions.
You keep saying this, but can you or anyone show an actual case where that happened and the dog/owner was found at fault?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
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I suggest you do some research on the dog bite liability laws. I'm not trying to argue what's right or wrong, only what the law says. And in many, if not most, states, anytime your dog bites someone, you will be held legally accountable for that dog's actions.
And they would be legally accountable for felony animal abuse for beating my dog on private property. I'm sure that would help alleviate some responsibility off my shoulders and save my dog's life.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:14 am to Artie Rome
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That's not true.
But everyone here is saying it is true. You're a lawyer, please clear this up
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:14 am to TheCaterpillar
It would be tough shite. I do like dogs, but I value kids way more. BUT, I would have been watching my 4 year old closer and would have gotten on his arse for messing with the dog.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:15 am to Artie Rome
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That's not true. But I'm glad you listen to Walton and Johnson.
That's been the OTHER argument in this thread, not the one I'm making, FWIW.
And I have heard about 10 min of Walton and Johnson in my entire life. Artie, you're known to be a dog hater and a dumbass on this website. Maybe this thread isn't for you.
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And why was your dog alone with some unknown kid?
Because the babysitter sucks at her job?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:16 am to LNCHBOX
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Link to one that isn't made up.
ETA: Better yet, don't because it's not relevant to the situation discussed. Surely a case like the one I asked for would exist, because some POS would have surely taken advantage of such a ridiculous law by now
LINK
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:16 am to LNCHBOX
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Can you show a case where that happened and the dog/owner was found responsible?
Because if that's the way the law works, I can go in your house and frick with your dog until it bites e and then sue you. I highly doubt that would fly in court, but perhaps you can prove me wrong.
Knowledge is power
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Just about every state has some sort of law that deals with dog bites. These laws can vary a lot from state to state, so you need to check the laws in your area to see how dog bites are treated. In general, though, there are three basics types of laws that may make you legally responsible or “liable” for injuries or damages caused by your dog:
Strict liability laws
“One Bite” laws
Negligence
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Many states, such as California, New Jersey, and Ohio, have strict liability laws regarding dog bites. Basically, a strict liability law means that you, as the dog’s owner, are liable for just about every injury your dog causes. It doesn’t matter if you knew your dog was dangerous or had bitten someone in the past. It also doesn’t matter if you did everything you could to restrain your dog or to protect the public from the dog, such as put up fencing and signs.
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In states like Texas or Virginia, you’re generally not liable for injuries caused by your dog’s first bite. That means your dog gets one “free” bite, and you’ll be liable for injuries caused on the second bite.
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Almost all states have laws that hold you responsible for injuries caused by your negligence or “negligent acts.” Negligence is a complicated area of law, with many factors and exceptions. In simple terms, though, negligence is when you do something you shouldn’t have done, or don’t do something you should have, which causes another’s injuries.
When it comes to dog bites, you may be negligent if your dog bites someone because:
You let the dog run free even though there’s a leash law where you live
You know the dog is “high-strung” or easily excited and you don’t take reasonable steps to shield others from the dog, such as keeping the dog away from house guests
Your fencing (or rope or chain) isn’t secure enough to restrain the dog
In some states, negligence can be used to hold you liable even if you may not be liable under the strict liability or one-bite law in your state.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:16 am to Darth_Vader
I said this earlier
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1. that monster little kid cornered a black lab and started beating it with toys provoking the poor innocent dog to attack ..... MAYBE
2. the kid was being all sweet and playing fetch and the dog attacked un-provoked..... MAYBE
the truth probably lays in-between. Regardless the child is 4 and doesn't know any better and the dog probably did feel in some way threated or scared but that doesn't excuse the dog especially for it to tear the kids face up. if this was a nip on the hand ok move on but the bite apparently caused some serious damage....
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:16 am to TheCaterpillar
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What if, and this is hypothetical, your kid was being a little fricktard and antagonizing and cornering the dog before it bit him?
Kids are more important than dogs. If my kid was pulling my dogs tail and ears and the dog bit him? Bye dog.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:17 am to Darth_Vader
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Knowledge is power
That doesn't answer my question still.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:17 am to TheCaterpillar
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Honestly, it should be a non-story. The vet should separate animal from his customers, help with medical bills, and the family should be fine with that.
agreed.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:17 am to Artie Rome
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Kids are more important than dogs. If my kid was pulling my dogs tail and ears and the dog bit him? Bye dog.
Even if your kid was somewhere else and it was someone else's dog?
We're just going to have to agree to disagree, because I think that is absurd.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:20 am to TheCaterpillar
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Because the babysitter sucks at her job?
Did the dog hire the babysitter?
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Artie, you're known to be a dog hater and a dumbass on this website.
I might be a dumbass, but I'm not a dog-hater. I like dags. But I don't think the irrational love for the stupid animals outweighs death and maiming of human children.
I had a mastiff for 12 years. I know the dangers. When he got too old and bit someone, I put him down the same day. It sucked. But people are more important than dogs.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:21 am to TheCaterpillar
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ven if your kid was somewhere else and it was someone else's dog?
Yes.
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We're just going to have to agree to disagree, because I think that is absurd.
I take it you don't have kids. But you have dogs.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:21 am to TheCaterpillar
I think most are missing the story .... the family doesn't want the dog put down, BUT
FL law states that if a dog bite cause stitches that it must be put down regardless of the situation.
FL law states that if a dog bite cause stitches that it must be put down regardless of the situation.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:22 am to LNCHBOX
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Knowledge is power
That doesn't answer my question still.
Then I'm sorry, there's no helping you then. I gave you a link that did a very good job explaining the three basic types of dog bite laws and what those laws mean. If you can't grasp the content of that article, I don't know what else could help you understand.
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