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Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The Madrid skyline is an interesting example of this. The modern buildings look like cancerous growths in the middle of an old and otherwise beautiful city.
I see what saying they don't mix in well at all
Posted on 7/23/23 at 7:58 pm to bobBoxer
Everything today is all corporate and get it built quick and as cheap as possible
People used to dream big and envision these things. They wanted to build great beautiful things and took pride in it. Now it’s all just about money
People used to dream big and envision these things. They wanted to build great beautiful things and took pride in it. Now it’s all just about money
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:02 pm to bobBoxer
Imagine paying for those old buildings with todays tax dollars. People would be bitching up a storm.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:03 pm to bobBoxer
You're comparing a middle school to world class Gothic architecture? 
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:20 pm to Tempratt
1 stone masons don’t exist
2 stone masons don’t exist
2 stone masons don’t exist
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:25 pm to bobBoxer
A&M grew almost 5x in enrollment from 1960 to 1980. Many of these ugly buildings came from that period and were out of necessity. Many of them have since been torn down and replaced with buildings that are a little easier to look at.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:30 pm to bobBoxer
Different for the sake of difference is not better
Form following function is esthetically deficient
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:32 pm to bobBoxer
I'm not even sure we know how to build stuff like that again, or it would be too expensive. We are the Dr Horton builders of history.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:16 pm to Hangover Haven
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You realize those older buildings were “modern architecture “ at one time, right?
There’s a simple difference, beauty was the guiding principle of architecture from the dawn of civilization up through the middle of the twentieth century. The idea was that what built should inspire and uplift us.
That’s dies in the 20th century.
The rejection of beauty is the founding principle of modern design. It’s intended to make us uncomfortable, sad, disconnected. And you can see that in modern art too. It’s the same there.
It’s worth considering as well that beauty and truth are the same idea, and that gives you a sense of the gravity of our problem.
Why did it happen? Are we being tortured? I think to a great degree yes. But it’s also people reflecting the pain they feel back on the world around them.
Posted on 7/23/23 at 11:08 pm to bobBoxer
LEED engineering sucked the life out of architecture
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:27 am to Tempratt
It comes down to money and time. I have an architect designing our next house from the ground up. With multiple revisions and updates, it has taken a lot of time to carefully design the plans and carry out detailed aesthetics, functionality, and ensuring the house will be majestic. With that, we are two years into the design phase with substantial architecture fees.
The house will indeed be majestic, but I see why cookie cutter architecture is mainstream. Very few take the time and money to carefully plan a quality home, and are impatient. It’s just not feasible to do for the overwhelming majority. This also goes for commercial.
The house will indeed be majestic, but I see why cookie cutter architecture is mainstream. Very few take the time and money to carefully plan a quality home, and are impatient. It’s just not feasible to do for the overwhelming majority. This also goes for commercial.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:40 am to Aeolian Vocalion
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Yes, I've long found the brutalist, postmodern architecture of recent (post-war) decades incredibly depressing
I think that was the point
And yeah there was only like 1 or 2 brutalist pictures in OP but that's what he's really talking about.
Brutalism and "modern architecture" are 2 different things.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:40 am to Zappas Stache
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Wolfe is an idiot. He didn't like modernism so wrote a biased book slamming it.
Idiot or not, Wolfe wrote a fairly well informed critique of modernism explaining why he didn’t like it. As a critic he could just have easily written why he liked it.
Among other reasons he found modernism egotistical, pretentious, and collectivist.
Its competing schools presented it as having high minded philosophical and intellectual foundations, but, despite all the altruistic pieties expressed, it was mostly about garnering big well funded commissions from bullied and ignorant customers.
Older architecture designed on a humane scale with beauty and with imaginative design was replaced on a distressingly large scale with new buildings that were soulless, stark, boring, and barren.
Idiot or not, we can agree that Wolfe the critic didn’t like modernism at all.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:50 am to bobBoxer
90% of the reason for ugly modern architecture is cost. It’s significantly cheaper to build with modern techniques and materials than it is to build the ornate structures of the past.
The other 10% os absolutely about depressing you. Brutalism was designed to make the individual feel small and powerless in the presence of their government. It was supposed to be ugly and imposing on purpose to intimidate people.
The other 10% os absolutely about depressing you. Brutalism was designed to make the individual feel small and powerless in the presence of their government. It was supposed to be ugly and imposing on purpose to intimidate people.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:05 am to bobBoxer
Art Deco and Gothic are really time consuming to draw in AutoCad. The "art" of design has been lost.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:08 am to bobBoxer
Architecture, like music, like everything is simply a mirror reflection of a greater internal problem.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 8:10 am to Mike da Tigah
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Architecture, like music, like everything is simply a mirror reflection of a greater internal problem.
Since we have had the ability to mass produce music, there has been trash music for the unwashed masses. Same as theater, comedy, fiction, etc.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:12 am to bobBoxer
Not a fan of most current architects but they don't dictate how a building ends up looking as much as you think. They never have. It's all about what the owner is willing to spend and a lot of owners these days are groups/corporations. Also, where do you think the money came from to fund those classic buildings?
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