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Does anyone remember the old sunken German U boat(s) at chandeleur islands
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:25 pm
I am watching National Geographic show about sunken U boats in Gulf of Mexico. I know there are a bunch off Houston but when I remember the local fishermen talking about one or two sunken u-boats off the chandeleur island chain off Louisiana-Mississippi Coast. The northern lighthouse used to be 31.5 miles for me out of Gulfport-Biloxi.
I kinda remember finding one by sonar one time about in 1980s 15 miles or so down the island in about 40-50 feet of water but it seemed like there may have been some remains of one in really shallow water too. Getting too old to remember but it was universally accepted that there was one sunken u boat there but guys on pelican etc said there was actually too.
Is there anyone else that remembers this? Are there any maps of sunken u boats in the gulf. It seems like one was sunk and maybe one just ran aground and was scuttled but man that was 40-50 years ago
I kinda remember finding one by sonar one time about in 1980s 15 miles or so down the island in about 40-50 feet of water but it seemed like there may have been some remains of one in really shallow water too. Getting too old to remember but it was universally accepted that there was one sunken u boat there but guys on pelican etc said there was actually too.
Is there anyone else that remembers this? Are there any maps of sunken u boats in the gulf. It seems like one was sunk and maybe one just ran aground and was scuttled but man that was 40-50 years ago
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:27 pm to TutHillTiger
Yes there are a couple of them that sunk out of South Pass and Southwest Pass too.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:27 pm to TutHillTiger
My uncle was the U boat captain
He never talked about the war though
He never talked about the war though
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:30 pm to Kafka
They are saying only one was sunk in the Gulf on the special which was discovered in 2001 but it’s not the same boat they we’re talking about or I don’t think it is
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:34 pm to Kafka
quote:DON'T MENTION THE WAR, Mom would tell us kids
My uncle was the U boat captain
He never talked about the war though
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:36 pm to Kafka
quote:
My uncle was the U boat captain
He never talked about the war though
My maternal grandfather was the toughest guy I ever knew. World War Two veteran. Killed twenty men then spent the rest of the war in an Allied prison camp.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:38 pm to TutHillTiger
This is not true. Back in the day, you used to be able to access some data the coast guard collected on reef, wrecks and rock piles in the gom. There are roughly 2-3 dozen of them. Most are in thousands of feet of water.that data also lists the ships they sunk and when. There's a shite ton of those also. They use another system now for the data. I used to have a cd with the information on it, for fishing purposes. Got it from the coast guard group in Nola early 2000's. You could just scroll through it and I was amazed at how many U-boats there were
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:40 pm to TutHillTiger
Dey loved dem some of them boilt crawfish
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:43 pm to ticklechain
quote:
This is not true. Back in the day, you used to be able to access some data the coast guard collected on reef, wrecks and rock piles in the gom. There are roughly 2-3 dozen of them. Most are in thousands of feet of water.that data also lists the ships they sunk and when. There's a shite ton of those also. They use another system now for the data. I used to have a cd with the information on it, for fishing purposes. Got it from the coast guard group in Nola early 2000's. You could just scroll through it and I was amazed at how many U-boats there were
There was a secret German outpost on St. Charles Avenue that would relay to the U-boats off the coast when ships would head for the open gulf. The US arrested the outpost during the war but there are several U-boats that were sunk in the gulf. The US kept it secret because they didn't want to scare the citizens or the shipping industry at the time.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:46 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:No one on the planet can remember this as it never happened.
Does anyone remember the old sunken German U boat(s) at chandelier islands
CSB though brah.
And it’s spelled “Chandeleur” also.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:48 pm to ticklechain
Tickle that’s what I remember. They used to say that they would pull up in the chandeleur islands recharge the batteries and get fresh water, catch fish and rumors that someone from New Orleans helped resupply them etc early on the war. One got stuck and they scuttled it and one sunk is what I always heard.
Love to get a copy of the CD.
Love to get a copy of the CD.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:52 pm to MrLSU
That was pre GPS but if you have those charts they can be converted. I still have my old LORAN units.
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 9:58 pm to beerJeep
quote:"You vill eat pastafalaya & you vill LIKE IT!"
Dey loved dem some of them boilt crawfish
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:00 pm to TutHillTiger
Isn’t the old mythology that some even came up Bayou Lafourche?
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:01 pm to soccerfüt
I asked “the guys” so we will see. They together have 200 years plus of fishing and boating experience in the Gulf of Mexico with two of them being from first families of Biloxi, and in the fishing business for over 250 years. If they don’t remember anything I must be mistaken. If they do then it’s there.
That’s who told me the story they were either just fricking with me when I was young or again the boats are there.
That’s who told me the story they were either just fricking with me when I was young or again the boats are there.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:03 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:
They used to say that they would pull up in the chandelier islands recharge the batteries and get fresh water, catch fish and rumors that someone from New Orleans helped resupply them etc early on the war.
Is there any fresh water out there? Plus that would leave them very exposed. Doesn't seem very likely unless it was an emergency situation.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:08 pm to LSUBoo
Yeah that is old rumors, that shrimp boats etc would see them. In the first six months or saw of the war we basically were a turkey shoot for them and didn’t do anything to stop them, it’s was a complete ducking bloodbath. They would sink ships until they completely ran out of tornadoes and ammo. We did nothing. no conveys no air patrols nothing.
So they could have pulled into a dock in the night in New Orleans and resupplied and and nothing would happen. There was a fresh water well there at one time. I absolutely do remember that, it was a few feet under water most of the time in the 80s but still bubbled.
There are bunch of specials on this. Nothing happened until there were 10,000 of people at a fair or something in Fort Lauderdale and a uboat sunk tanker about a mile or two off the beach and it’s came between the burning tanker and the beach so everyone saw it and photographed it and then people went nuts
So they could have pulled into a dock in the night in New Orleans and resupplied and and nothing would happen. There was a fresh water well there at one time. I absolutely do remember that, it was a few feet under water most of the time in the 80s but still bubbled.
There are bunch of specials on this. Nothing happened until there were 10,000 of people at a fair or something in Fort Lauderdale and a uboat sunk tanker about a mile or two off the beach and it’s came between the burning tanker and the beach so everyone saw it and photographed it and then people went nuts
This post was edited on 6/30/23 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:10 pm to LSUBoo
There is a story that people were caught helping the Germans because of the tires on their work vehicles.
Brand new tires (hard to get) with a French name in them.
Someone turned it in and they began watching these vehicles.
They were getting tires that were brought in as part of a payment for info.
Old man at work grandfather I believe we're part of the group that noticed the tires. I'll have to ask him again. This would have been on the Louisiana coast.
Brand new tires (hard to get) with a French name in them.
Someone turned it in and they began watching these vehicles.
They were getting tires that were brought in as part of a payment for info.
Old man at work grandfather I believe we're part of the group that noticed the tires. I'll have to ask him again. This would have been on the Louisiana coast.
Posted on 6/30/23 at 10:16 pm to thejudge
Florida Fair UBoat
People packed the pier on Jacksonville Beach on that warm evening in the spring of 1942. As the war in Europe raged, Americans still felt safe at home. Then, without warning a tremendous explosion echoed across the water.
At first, everybody thought two oil tankers had collided in the busy shipping lanes just miles from shore. Freighter traffic was a common sight as the United States struggled to keep its ally Great Britain supplied with oil, aluminum and other goods necessary for the fight against Nazi Germany.
Then a German submarine surfaced between the packed pier and burning ship, finishing the stricken vessel off with its deck gun. The sinking of the Gulfamerica – an 8,000-ton steam tanker on its maiden voyage from Port Arthur, Texas, to New York City – just miles off the crowded boardwalk is probably the most famous battle in a U-Boat war few know was waged so close to Florida's shores.
The waters of the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean are littered with rusting hulks of freighters and the submarines that sank them in the opening months of World War II. These war relics are the favorite haunts of recreational scuba divers, but few know the full story of the last time hostile warships patrolled American waters.
One week after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, five German submarines left their secret bases in the Bay of Biscay in the North Atlantic and set sail for the East Coast of the United States. It took two weeks for the U-boats to get within sight of land, and when they did, their captains were surprised to see the lights of the coastal cities shining brightly.
There was still no blackout, so ships running against the coastline made easy targets. The German code name for the coordinated attack was Paukenschlag, or Drumbeat. And before it ended on Feb. 5, the five "sea wolves" had sunk 25 ships. The Germans returned to France, refitted and re-armed, then returned later that spring. For a while, early in the U-boat war, the Germans sank an average of 100 ships a month.
The sinking of the Gulfamerica was not only unique because of its close proximity to land, but also to the boldness and subsequent chivalry of the German captain, Reinhard Hardegan. The young U-boat commander had sunk nine Allied ships on his first sortie into U.S. waters.
When he spotted the Gulfamerica five miles off Jacksonville Beach on April 11, 1942, the tanker loaded with 101,500 barrels of furnace oil was not running a zigzag course, a standard for ships in a combat zone. Hardegan's U-123 fired one torpedo, which hit amidships and set the tanker ablaze.
The captain wanted to conserve torpedoes but knew he had to ventilate the hull to make sure the tanker sank. Noting the innocent civilians on shore, Hardegan positioned his U-boat between the burning freighter and the beach and opened fire, knowing any stray shells would land in the open ocean.
The Germans sank their first ship in the Gulf of Mexico on May 4, 1942, when U-507 torpedoed the freighter Norlindo, west-northwest of Key West. U-boats sank an average of about one ship per day that month. A headline from the July 19, 1942 edition of the St. Petersburg Times proclaimed "Ship Toll Passes 400-Mark."
An accompanying photograph shows a burning ship with the caption, "Flames and smoke burst from a sinking U.S. cargo ship, which was torpedoed by an enemy submarine in the Gulf of Mexico while lying close to shore and blacked out. Fifteen crewmen struggled to a partially burned lifeboat and escaped, but 27 perished."
That same morning, while St. Petersburg residents read about the freighter, another ship had troubles of its own. The Baja California, a Honduran-flagged steam merchant owned by a subsidiary of the United Fruit Company, was en route from New Orleans to Puerto Barrios, Guatemala, when it was hit by two torpedoes fired from the U-84.
The freighter, carrying a load of military vehicles, tobacco and several tons of glassware, turned on its side and sank in 10 minutes about 40 miles northeast of Rebecca Shoals. According to one account of the sinking, three men were killed and 10 wounded in the initial attack. But while the stories of the men who served aboard the Baja California may be lost to history, the ship still has a tale to tell.
Scuba divers can still find old bottles around the wreck, especially after a storm. According to the ship's manifest, the Baja carried a general cargo, which included tobacco and cotton, as well as military vehicles and several tons of empty bottles.
As the ship was sinking, the bow section split off and now rests about 50 feet from the rest of the wreck. Salvagers removed the ship's 14-foot steel propeller years ago. The .50-caliber machine gun that was mounted on its foredeck also is gone, but the 4-inch deck gun that guarded the stern is intact.
Dive charters from Fort Myers Beach make regular trips to the Baja California. The wreck lies midway between Fort Myers Beach and the Dry Tortugas in 115 feet of water, which makes it a trip only for "advanced" divers. The Baja is completely encrusted in barnacles, sea anemones and other marine life, the decks having collapsed decades ago.
If you dive the Baja today, you undoubtedly will encounter large schools of amberjack that seem to serve as silent sentinels for the sunken ship below. The Baja also has a resident barracuda population, which can make it difficult for spear fishermen to get their catch to the surface.
If you make it all the way down to the wreck, you can see what’s left of the jeeps and trucks that were lost in the sinking, as well as 1940s-era glass bottles.
The Baja isn't the only World War II relic accessible to divers. The Empire Mica, sunk off the Panhandle, as well as a half-dozen wrecks off Canaveral and Fort Pierce, also are popular diving destinations. The U-boats -- and there are three known to have sunk off Florida's coast -- tend to be in deeper water and, as a result, are visited only by technical divers trained in the use of mixed gas.
The Germans sank their last ship in the Gulf of Mexico on Sept. 4, 1942, but the War in the North Atlantic continued into the following year. Eventually the convoy system, combined with the use of attack aircraft and fast surface ships changed the tone of war
People packed the pier on Jacksonville Beach on that warm evening in the spring of 1942. As the war in Europe raged, Americans still felt safe at home. Then, without warning a tremendous explosion echoed across the water.
At first, everybody thought two oil tankers had collided in the busy shipping lanes just miles from shore. Freighter traffic was a common sight as the United States struggled to keep its ally Great Britain supplied with oil, aluminum and other goods necessary for the fight against Nazi Germany.
Then a German submarine surfaced between the packed pier and burning ship, finishing the stricken vessel off with its deck gun. The sinking of the Gulfamerica – an 8,000-ton steam tanker on its maiden voyage from Port Arthur, Texas, to New York City – just miles off the crowded boardwalk is probably the most famous battle in a U-Boat war few know was waged so close to Florida's shores.
The waters of the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean are littered with rusting hulks of freighters and the submarines that sank them in the opening months of World War II. These war relics are the favorite haunts of recreational scuba divers, but few know the full story of the last time hostile warships patrolled American waters.
One week after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, five German submarines left their secret bases in the Bay of Biscay in the North Atlantic and set sail for the East Coast of the United States. It took two weeks for the U-boats to get within sight of land, and when they did, their captains were surprised to see the lights of the coastal cities shining brightly.
There was still no blackout, so ships running against the coastline made easy targets. The German code name for the coordinated attack was Paukenschlag, or Drumbeat. And before it ended on Feb. 5, the five "sea wolves" had sunk 25 ships. The Germans returned to France, refitted and re-armed, then returned later that spring. For a while, early in the U-boat war, the Germans sank an average of 100 ships a month.
The sinking of the Gulfamerica was not only unique because of its close proximity to land, but also to the boldness and subsequent chivalry of the German captain, Reinhard Hardegan. The young U-boat commander had sunk nine Allied ships on his first sortie into U.S. waters.
When he spotted the Gulfamerica five miles off Jacksonville Beach on April 11, 1942, the tanker loaded with 101,500 barrels of furnace oil was not running a zigzag course, a standard for ships in a combat zone. Hardegan's U-123 fired one torpedo, which hit amidships and set the tanker ablaze.
The captain wanted to conserve torpedoes but knew he had to ventilate the hull to make sure the tanker sank. Noting the innocent civilians on shore, Hardegan positioned his U-boat between the burning freighter and the beach and opened fire, knowing any stray shells would land in the open ocean.
The Germans sank their first ship in the Gulf of Mexico on May 4, 1942, when U-507 torpedoed the freighter Norlindo, west-northwest of Key West. U-boats sank an average of about one ship per day that month. A headline from the July 19, 1942 edition of the St. Petersburg Times proclaimed "Ship Toll Passes 400-Mark."
An accompanying photograph shows a burning ship with the caption, "Flames and smoke burst from a sinking U.S. cargo ship, which was torpedoed by an enemy submarine in the Gulf of Mexico while lying close to shore and blacked out. Fifteen crewmen struggled to a partially burned lifeboat and escaped, but 27 perished."
That same morning, while St. Petersburg residents read about the freighter, another ship had troubles of its own. The Baja California, a Honduran-flagged steam merchant owned by a subsidiary of the United Fruit Company, was en route from New Orleans to Puerto Barrios, Guatemala, when it was hit by two torpedoes fired from the U-84.
The freighter, carrying a load of military vehicles, tobacco and several tons of glassware, turned on its side and sank in 10 minutes about 40 miles northeast of Rebecca Shoals. According to one account of the sinking, three men were killed and 10 wounded in the initial attack. But while the stories of the men who served aboard the Baja California may be lost to history, the ship still has a tale to tell.
Scuba divers can still find old bottles around the wreck, especially after a storm. According to the ship's manifest, the Baja carried a general cargo, which included tobacco and cotton, as well as military vehicles and several tons of empty bottles.
As the ship was sinking, the bow section split off and now rests about 50 feet from the rest of the wreck. Salvagers removed the ship's 14-foot steel propeller years ago. The .50-caliber machine gun that was mounted on its foredeck also is gone, but the 4-inch deck gun that guarded the stern is intact.
Dive charters from Fort Myers Beach make regular trips to the Baja California. The wreck lies midway between Fort Myers Beach and the Dry Tortugas in 115 feet of water, which makes it a trip only for "advanced" divers. The Baja is completely encrusted in barnacles, sea anemones and other marine life, the decks having collapsed decades ago.
If you dive the Baja today, you undoubtedly will encounter large schools of amberjack that seem to serve as silent sentinels for the sunken ship below. The Baja also has a resident barracuda population, which can make it difficult for spear fishermen to get their catch to the surface.
If you make it all the way down to the wreck, you can see what’s left of the jeeps and trucks that were lost in the sinking, as well as 1940s-era glass bottles.
The Baja isn't the only World War II relic accessible to divers. The Empire Mica, sunk off the Panhandle, as well as a half-dozen wrecks off Canaveral and Fort Pierce, also are popular diving destinations. The U-boats -- and there are three known to have sunk off Florida's coast -- tend to be in deeper water and, as a result, are visited only by technical divers trained in the use of mixed gas.
The Germans sank their last ship in the Gulf of Mexico on Sept. 4, 1942, but the War in the North Atlantic continued into the following year. Eventually the convoy system, combined with the use of attack aircraft and fast surface ships changed the tone of war
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