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re: Doctors warn women not to wipe their cooter juice into their baby's mouth& face

Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:04 pm to
it is cutting edge science (albeit evolving)

LINK

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Scientists have theorized that these children may be missing key bacteria known to play a large role in shaping the immune system from the moment of birth onward. To replace these microbes, some parents have turned to a novel procedure called vaginal microbial transfer.



Book:

Missing Microbes - Martin J. Blaser, MD

quote:

Dr. Martin Blaser has studied the role of bacteria in human disease for over 30 years. He is the director of the Human Microbiome Program at NYU. He founded the Bellevue Literary Review and has been written about in newspapers including The New Yorker, Nature, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal


Gut flora impacts everything...

Mental Health:

A little rag called Nature

Obesity:

LINK

LINK

LINK

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The worldwide obesity epidemic is stimulating efforts to identify host and environmental factors that affect energy balance. Comparisons of the distal gut microbiota of genetically obese mice and their lean littermates, as well as those of obese and lean human volunteers have revealed that obesity is associated with changes in the relative abundance of the two dominant bacterial divisions, the Bacteroidetes and the Firmicutes. Here we demonstrate through metagenomic and biochemical analyses that these changes affect the metabolic potential of the mouse gut microbiota. Our results indicate that the obese microbiome has an increased capacity to harvest energy from the diet. Furthermore, this trait is transmissible: colonization of germ-free mice with an 'obese microbiota' results in a significantly greater increase in total body fat than colonization with a 'lean microbiota'. These results identify the gut microbiota as an additional contributing factor to the pathophysiology of obesity.


Let the bolded part set in. Profound
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:16 pm to
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this is rape


What about a cigar dipped in pussy juice?

quote:

Clarke's third law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:22 pm to
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vaginal microbial transfer.


love me some vaginal microbial transfer.


can't wait to use that term on my wife.
Posted by torrey225
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:27 pm to
OT posters are too stupid for this.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:29 pm to
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OT posters are too stupid for this.


says a guy posting on the OT.
Posted by torrey225
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:32 pm to
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says a guy posting on the OT.



I'm not a guy. And I actually follow microbiome science as I am an environmental engineer.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:33 pm to
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OT posters are too stupid for this.


People can suprise you

Even if 1 person takes away some value from it, I am content
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:35 pm to
I am so glad this was not a thing when I worked at Woman's years ago.


It would have been hard to keep a straight face if a new mom asked me for a cotton swab so she could do this. Don't think I could have hidden my "WTF is wrong with you?" face
Posted by Hogwarts
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:38 pm to
What tha frick is wrong with this world??
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:39 pm to
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I put cooter in my mouth all the time


How the hell do you do that? I've put my mouth into cooter, but never cooter into my mouth. Sounds like something Dahmer would do if he were straight.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:40 pm to
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I'm not a guy


you have your OT Q&A thread yet?
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:41 pm to
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How the hell do you do that? I've put my mouth into cooter, but never cooter into my mouth


meat curtains
Posted by G Vice
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:43 pm to
Good links.

See also nutritionfacts.org for well-researched info on the benefits of plant based diet on the gut microbiome.
Posted by pennypacker3
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:45 pm to
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My inner 12 year old cannot stop laughing.


Got to admit...I busted out laughing when I read the thread title.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 1:50 pm to
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See also nutritionfacts.org for well-researched info on the benefits of plant based diet on the gut microbiome.


Diet absolutely play a HUGE role in selecting the micro biome

This is an additional reason why paelo based changes can have such a big impact on folks. I catch a lot of hell when I suggest that calories really do not matter as much as food quality


I advocate greens, healthy fats and well sourced proteins. Carbs are more generous on training days, restricted on rest days

I try to convince as many people as possible that the pillars to health are

proper diet
proper sleep
positive exposures /eustress - exercise
avoiding negative exposures - environmental, food/drug
minimizing / managing stress
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 3:07 pm to
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ThinePreparedAni



so a hundred thousand years of the developments in medicines, learning what in nature can be medicinal and after all the other other innovations in science and all this time all we had to do was wipe snatch on a kid?

Seems a bit too simple.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:49 pm to
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so a hundred thousand years of the developments in medicines, learning what in nature can be medicinal and after all the other other innovations in science and all this time all we had to do was wipe snatch on a kid? Seems a bit too simple.


I agree that this is not a panacea for guaranteed long term health. Other factors play in (I listed them in a post above). That said, if you have a parent who is educated enough to understand the rationale behind this perceived "grotesque" action, many proper dietary /lifestyle factors will likely also be built into your development.

The women requesting this are women being delivered by c-section. There is no need to inoculate the child born via vaginal delivery (they are exposed to vaginal / colonic flora naturally). Vaginal delivery is the way things have previously occurred for "a hundred thousand years"

Ironically, some of the "developments in medicine" actually worsen the problem. Namely:

- injudicious request /use of antibiotics
- overly sterilized / sanitized environment
- completely wrong dietary recommendations regarding nutrition (see my post history for my well supported rants on fat/cholesterol). Group think has clouded reasonable decision making for sometime. Only recently have dietary recs started to reconcile themselves.

Finally, the simplest solution is often the best
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 7:52 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:06 pm to
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That's disgusting. Who comes up with this? Are a bunch of women sitting around and suddenly one of them says "Hey, I have a good idea, let me go get a cotton swab".


There is no doubt that c-sections are over-prescribed by a medical industry which loves the extra income from them. A baby born via c-section does not receive the mother's bacteria from the birth canal. Many scientists believe that missing out on this crucially impairs the baby's microbiome.

LINK
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:13 pm to
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There is no doubt that c-sections are over-prescribed by a medical industry which loves the extra income from them. A baby born via c-section does not receive the mother's bacteria from the birth canal. Many scientists believe that missing out on this crucially impairs the baby's microbiome.
They are definitely over performed, but women wiping their vaginas on the faces of their children is a terrible idea.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
40176 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:30 pm to
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but women wiping their vaginas on the faces of their children is a terrible idea.


Just because you say it is? And it's not "the vagina". A swab is taken from the birth canal and swiped across several membranes of the baby - by a doctor.

What kind of idea do you think it is to inject seething diseased cells into babies' blood?

Oh wait, inoculating them against diptheria and other conditions doesn't sound nearly as headline-grabbing. In fact, it's just good medicine.

It's a fact that modern American microbiomes have been severely impaired. It's hard to believe that's a good thing. If it's shown that a major building block of a healthy microbiome is proper exposure of a birthed baby to the very natural and healthy conditions of his mother's birth canal, then these swabs are a fantastic idea.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 8:31 pm
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