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Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:45 am to bbvdd
If you don't think it was evil, I don't know what to tell you.
Justified =/= evil. It was justified IMHO, but to kill that many civilians is about as evil as it gets.
Justified =/= evil. It was justified IMHO, but to kill that many civilians is about as evil as it gets.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:46 am to BuckeyeFan87
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If you don't think it was evil, I don't know what to tell you.
Justified =/= evil. It was justified IMHO, but to kill that many civilians is about as evil as it gets.
Exactly. Evil can be necessary, but it does not mean it is not evil.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:47 am to bbvdd
Where does it say we were evil? Atomic bombs are pretty evil but as was the case also necessary
I get it - you hate the guy but stop twisting the story to fit your narrative
I get it - you hate the guy but stop twisting the story to fit your narrative
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:48 am to BuckeyeFan87
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It was justified IMHO, but to kill that many civilians is about as evil as it gets.
Nanking says hi.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:49 am to CadesCove
Evil doesn't fall on one side. Evil is in everyone.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:50 am to NOFOX
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So Barry just told the world that the US will never use A bombs again. Ok.
Atomic bombs should never be used again. Our use of an atomic bomb would likely mean world destruction.
Hydrogen bombs are far more powerful and would be more likely to result in world destruction. Atomic bombs are nukes but not all nukes are atomic bombs.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:50 am to NOFOX
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Atomic bombs should never be used again. Our use of an atomic bomb would likely mean world destruction
Umm maybe; but the US president shouldn't show his hand to the bunch of crazies running around the globe.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:51 am to BuckeyeFan87
Evil is highly subjective. There is no xorrect answer but the president doent speak for everyone here
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:51 am to bbvdd
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Do you think the US was "evil" to drop bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
No, we were at war.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:53 am to LSUBoo
I try to stay objective, but i really can't stand Obama. He comes off as so weak and pathetic.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:54 am to HaveMercy
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Umm maybe; but the US president shouldn't show his hand to the bunch of crazies running around the globe.
I am not fond of the president, but come on this is ridiculous. You think he is showing his hand by saying that we aren't going to offensively use a nuclear weapon?
Name a country that we would need to nuke that doesn't result in nuclear armageddon?
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:55 am to bbvdd
Sometimes I wonder if the only history of America that Barry ever read was writen by Zinn. Disgusting.
Prior to dropping The Bomb the US was firebombing Japanese cities, here is a list of cities in Japan that were bombed with a % of the city that was destroyed and an analogous US city.
https://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html
The US was already unleashing that kind of hell upon Japan but they weren't ready to surrender. We are talking about an entire culture that worshiped the Emperor and the State. In ways it is similar to fighting Islamic extremist. You can not win with out pacifying the entire culture. The bombs saved lives, on both sides. They, however, did open pandoras box in the process. Nevertheless, any argument that The Bombs were evil or unnecessary probably comes from a Marxist point of view or is heavily colored by arguments rooted in Marxist propoganda.
Prior to dropping The Bomb the US was firebombing Japanese cities, here is a list of cities in Japan that were bombed with a % of the city that was destroyed and an analogous US city.
https://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html
The US was already unleashing that kind of hell upon Japan but they weren't ready to surrender. We are talking about an entire culture that worshiped the Emperor and the State. In ways it is similar to fighting Islamic extremist. You can not win with out pacifying the entire culture. The bombs saved lives, on both sides. They, however, did open pandoras box in the process. Nevertheless, any argument that The Bombs were evil or unnecessary probably comes from a Marxist point of view or is heavily colored by arguments rooted in Marxist propoganda.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:55 am to 1BamaRTR
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Hydrogen bombs are far more powerful and would be more likely to result in world destruction. Atomic bombs are nukes but not all nukes are atomic bombs.
It does not matter if a hydrogen or atomic bomb is utilized, the use of a nuclear weapon will result in large scale nuclear retaliation.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:55 am to NOFOX
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Exactly. Evil can be necessary, but it does not mean it is not evil.
Maybe it's just semantics, but the motive behind doing something that is otherwise considered immoral, makes all the difference to me.
If anything, the Japanese empire should be at the forefront of this discussion as being "evil". They are the ones who refused surrender knowing full well what was at stake.
Truman made a decision based on pure motives. Those people had to die to ensure MANY more Americans didn't die fighting an invasion and to ensure MANY more Japanese didn't perish during that same invasion. This doesn't even take into consideration the effects a likely embargo would have had on civilians not only in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but all over the country.
I imagine starvation and disease would have become quite the problem over a MUCH longer period of time for a MUCH LARGER number of Japanese citizens.
It wasn't the choice Truman made that should be on trial here. It was the choice made before that by the Japanese empire to willingly put their citizens in harms way.
This post was edited on 5/27/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:56 am to bbvdd
Naaaaah
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:57 am to PhilemonThomas
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Nevertheless, any argument that The Bombs were evil or unnecessary probably comes from a Marxist point of view or is heavily colored by arguments rooted in Marxist propoganda.
You are conflating evil and unecessary.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:57 am to bbvdd
quote:I don't see that much wrong with it. It was a necessary evil and I hope we never have to use it again.
“Let all the souls here rest in peace, for we shall not repeat the evil,”
Posted on 5/27/16 at 11:58 am to bbvdd
Absolutely not. Had to be done.
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